I really hate this kind of discussions. But I will give you my 2 cents and no one has to read my post.

Why should you and others have a preference of Steve C over someone who is already doing some leg work. Why? Because his name is Steve and he owns autowire. Instead we and that includes you Jim should offer some sort of help if you think he is not doing the right job to fit your taste.

I am going to stop right here. I have lots to say about this preference over others that sometimes is very ovious. I do not want to get in a fifth grader recess word war, so I will stop.

Larry if you need my help, let me know.

Fine Rick. Assume I don't own an MG and try to follow the hypothetical.

No news of a site for 2014
April. Short blurb about Colorado. Nothing on any other site I go to.
Question is raised: Since planning is taking place on MG site, is meet an MG meet?
No answer.
Who is organizer? Some MG guy I don't know and don't know anything about.
Nobody vouches for him.
Clarification is requested. Water is muddied with everything but the one answer I want. MG, or all British?
The one person in the discussion qualified to say refuses to answer.
My inescapable conclusion? MG only meet.

There you go.

Jim

Oh, and I just have to say, it is the absolute height of arrogance to think that any non-MG owner would ever go to an MG only site for any reason, and especially to get info about an all British meet.

In my opinion Rick, it you and not I who owes an apology.

Jim

Geezusfrickinkrist, Jim.

So...you expect me to apologize for my attempt to extinguish the firestorm that you started with your post?

I have NEVER stated that I expected a non-MG owner to visit the MGE for information regarding any of these meets.

Have you even gone back and re-read anything on the MGE?

The posts made by Larry (or any other enthusiast) regarding BritishV8 2014 over there in the past 12 months are MINIMAL!!!

With an event over two years out....there has been NO PLANNING other than some WHAT-IF's.

I feel that Dan's question was PLANTED here on BritishV8.org...(you certainly jumped right on with a response!) and I was completely unaware that YOU ***ASSUMED*** that it fell into my court to answer his question....which because of the souce, I already KNEW that he KNEW the answer to.

Should that question have come from someone who had not attended an event prior to this, someone I'm sure would have answered.

This whole ordeal is becoming a MOUNTAIN being built out of a MOLEHILL.

We need to get through BritishV8 2013...then focus on promotion of BritishV8 2014.

I would really like to find the truth that instigated this whole thread. I've now received two different stories....and the truth lies between the two.

Have a nice day.

There is more popcorn available for those of you reading this thread for entertainment value only.

For the record:  I did not plant my question.  I thought Dan Masters had said Jim Watson was hosting the meet in Tennessee again.  That is all the information I had seen.  I do not visit MG Experience, I don't own an MG.  I did not know there was discussion about Colorado. I had never heard of Larry.  There was one post from him on our forum.  I was looking forward to meeting him in Palestine but he was not there.  Obviously some of you guys know him.  So you say he polled folks on MG Experience?  Why not on British V8?  
I guess I started all this by asking.  I did expect some sort of answer, so folks exclusive of MG Experience (including me) would feel comfortable with the decision.  Excuse me for asking.....

For the record...

Jim Watson had expressed an interest in hosting 2014.

Larry Barnes had expressed an interest in hosting 2014.

We've been to Townsend in 2003, 2006, and 2011.

We've never been to Colorado.

In an effort of making the event available to enthusiasts without constantly being in the midwest or east coast, it was thought that Colorado would make for a nice venue, a little more convenient for our west cost enthusiasts.

I did not know that I was the "designated responder" for any of these questions.

Your original question could have been worded a little differently, ie: "For those who have never attended one of these meets, is the event open to all British marques, or is it restricted to MG?" This would have alleviated a lot of this "misunderstanding" that has transpired since March.....

WHOA  I did not say that I was planning the 2014 event.  What I said is that I had ideas for another event here in michigan and that IF for some reason someone wasn't able to complete what they had planned to do, that I was available I would do it.  AT NO TIME DID I SAY THAT I WAS PLANNING THE EVENT.  

JIM  I told you to talk to Rick about your concerns, and you choose not to.  YOU OWE ALOT OF PEOPLE AN APOLOGY    

I love the rockies and look forward to the trip

Steve Carrick

Steve, if you said that to me I didn't hear it. Seemed to me it was more your concern than mine anyway whether or not you hosted the meet. So don't yell at me about apologies. As far as I can tell, you were the one who started that conversation. I was just agreeing with you.

Guys, can we take this down a notch? Why is it so hard for anybody to just say it IS an all British event? Just because it was Dan who asked the question? You think I put him up to it or something??!! Honestly, I was as surprised as anyone, and I asked him, are you serious?

He was. And as far as I can tell, still is. And if he is, what about the average TR guy who has never been to a meet?

So if someone as close to the action as he is can seriously ask that question, how about those we are trying to bring in? Wouldn't it be better to squelch any shade of a question about it as early as we could? Is it really more important to rear up and say, "I shouldn't have to answer" than it is to create the best impression we can for our group by saying, "Of course it's an all inclusive event, you of all people should know that by now." Or "Anyone who has that question may rest assured that we will never exclude them" or something like that.

Why you Rick? Just because there is no other respondent to this thread more qualified than you. It should be Larry but he is noticeably absent. Who else could do it? Dan Masters? Steve Carrick? Me? Would an answer by any of us carry the same weight? Dan's probably would but not the rest of us.

Jim

I guess I owe everyone an apology. I took the initiative to get the 2014 discussion going, but then I failed to follow up and spread the word properly. Mea Culpa! I'm guilty of tunnel vision - I assumed, evidently, that because I read the MGE forum, every one does. Surprisingly, there are lots of folks who don't read any forum, and there are still lots of British Car conversion owners that still don't know about our annual meets. We (including me) need to do a lot better job of spreading the word.

Nevertheless, it should not be a problem this far out. We're still waiting for the final details of the 2013 event - no matter how good Bill Y is at planning (and he seems to be pretty good), final details can't be arranged until much closer to the actual date. For 2014, a date and location is about as good as we can expect now (actually, that's a full year ahead of where we normally are).

Rest assured, the 2014 meet WILL BE the British V8 2014, all inclusive - Triumphs, Minis, Wolseys, MGs, Austin Healeys, V8, V6, V4, I4 - any British car with any engine or engine modification. You're even welcome if you come in a Toyota (as I have), rental car (as many of us have done), walk in, ride your bike (motorised or not), or, for Bill G, a wheelchair (just kidding, Bill).

Awesome!

V6 wheel chair Dan. LOL :-)

Thank you Dan Masters! (I really do think you are considered by most to be the senior authority in these kind of matters, though I know you don't ask for that. But your word carries a lot of weight.)

As for you other low-lifes ;-)
All is forgiven.

Jim

Come on guys,, lets settle down, remember even though it's called British V8 a lot of guys read between the lines
and attend with their V6s and turbo fours etc,etc.I'd hate to see this subject get ink like the HAMB , or heaven forbid the SCCA prod site,,, sheesh....................
Dave Craddock

When you girls get done....

We have Meet hosts for 2013, 2014, 2015, and 3 more people interested in reprising their roles beyond that.  Once upon a time, we weren't sure anyone would step up & host a Meet.  Odds are very good we will be celebrating #20 in 2016!  

I do think it would be good if the organizer attended a Meet to get an overall feel for the event & the people (and vice versa).

QuoteOdds are very good we will be celebrating #20 in 2016!

I think so. If no-one else, Jim Watson and I will step up and do it here (if I can get my wheelchair kick-started).

I will do 2020 in Hawaii any volunteers to help me out???

My new friend Jerry who I met at the Coal Miner's Lounge knows that tunnel you are looking for says he can help host in Hawaii.

This is fitting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwirWWnzJKM&feature=youtu.be

Cheers.

Indeed!

Is it possible that if an event was actually held out west, it might improve western membership ? I know majority rules, but it seems all the polling booths are in the east. Think of it as sharing, for the common good. Cheers, Art.

Art, it's not so much that the majority rules, but rather that members of the group from those areas have stepped up and volunteered to host a meeting. I'm hoping that an event more in the middle of the country such as next year's meet in Omaha will be close enough to both coasts to allow guys from both sides to make it. We can meet anywhere we want and there is someone willing to host, but just as travel is a problem for you guys on the west coast to a site back east, so it is in reverse.
Seems like a majority of the members are from the east, but the original V8 meet was held in St. Louis as I remember, so the traditon for more westernly venues is well established.

It's not that the polling booths are in the east, it just seems that those willing to volunteer are mostly in the east. All it takes to have the meet in any given locale is for someone from that locale to step up and volunteer to host it. I've hosted the meet twice, and co-hosted it twice, and there are several others who have hosted it more than once. We need more volunteers.

I don't see why we don't have two meets each year - one out west and one in the east. We just need someone to volunteer for the west coast. Art?

British V8 West and British V8 East - sounds like a good plan to me.

That sounds like a good idea, Dan.  Every five years or so have one big meet, and welcome everyone to attend either East or West or Both.  If there are enough folks out west to have that meet.  We know there is interest.  And although I wasn't able to make it, I like the idea of the get together you hosted in fall a couple of years ago too.

Dan B

All it takes is someone to volunteer.

Um.... I thought "somebody" did, and then things got nasty ? The world is watching-sort of, roverman.