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Title: Electron Beam welding
Post by: roverman on July 13, 2009, 05:33:30 PM
Hello out there. Anyone have first hand knowledge with this type of welding. I have a project ,in aluminum, that requires this.  As a side note, this is how "Fluid Dampener", harmonic dampeners are assembled.  Thanks, roverman.
Title: Re: Electron Beam welding
Post by: BlownMGB-V8 on July 13, 2009, 11:03:02 PM
It's done with an alien ray gun. No, seriously!

Jim
Title: Re: Electron Beam welding
Post by: roverman on July 14, 2009, 04:49:26 PM
Ok Jim, Is that what they told you?  I think I'll need to pay an american company serious change for this project. Probably "soft vac. or no vac" and "high voltage", perhaps within a "plasma window" configuration. I've personally have not used this process, but it appears to be suited for my needs.  roverman.
Title: Re: Electron Beam welding
Post by: roverman on July 14, 2009, 04:50:54 PM
Ok Jim, Is that what they told you?  I think I'll need to pay an american company serious change for this project. Probably "soft vac. or no vac" and "high voltage", perhaps within a "plasma window" configuration. I've personally have not used this process, but it appears to be suited for my needs.  roverman.
Title: Re: Electron Beam welding
Post by: BlownMGB-V8 on July 14, 2009, 11:08:22 PM
Art, be sure to take pictures for us. EBW does make some particularly nice welds, is pretty specialized and used more for production type applications. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_beam_welding

Usually for small quantity applications other joining methods are used. Are you having a fluid damper made?

Jim

(It is still an alien space ray though)
Title: Re: Electron Beam welding
Post by: BlownMGB-V8 on July 15, 2009, 12:08:53 PM
Apparently EBW is particularly well suited to making deep, narrow weld seams with penetration in the range of 2-6" with weld zones under 1/2" wide. Not building a battleship are you Art? A tank maybe?

Jim
Title: Re: Electron Beam welding
Post by: NixVegaGT on July 15, 2009, 05:15:28 PM
Holy SHIT!
Title: Re: Electron Beam welding
Post by: roverman on July 15, 2009, 11:30:19 PM
Gentlemen.... Let's not read into this. This project is for "friendly battles only"  No fluid damper, no alien abduction, maybe some blown-off doors... but that remains to be seen.  Speaking of "flying", anyone run the "Maxon Mile". It's on my horizon and I  could use some, first hand knowledege. Thank You fellow motorheads, roverman.
Title: Re: Electron Beam welding
Post by: BlownMGB-V8 on July 16, 2009, 07:37:48 PM
According to Steve DeGroat who is sitting on my left at the moment, it costs $50 to join the organization, website is LSR-ECTA.com Keith Kirk, costs $100(advance) or $120 for the weekend. Doesn't run in July or August. You can send Steve a PM, but he won't be back home for a few days.

HTH,
Jim
Title: Re: Electron Beam welding
Post by: MGBV8 on July 16, 2009, 10:57:26 PM
I had to Google it.

It's called the Maxton Mile & sounds like something I REALLY need to do.

More info here:

http://www.ecta-lsr.com/
Title: Re: Electron Beam welding
Post by: roverman on July 23, 2009, 09:25:59 PM
Fellow "Speed Seekers", anyone going to "Maxton Mile" in Sept.? I plan to fly there to, "scope-it". I think my "Huffaker", would like it there. It's gonna take some  Motor ! Perhaps some of us can meet there?  Art from So.Cal.
Title: Re: Electron Beam welding/ailing ray gun ?
Post by: roverman on December 30, 2009, 08:06:17 PM
Anybody? Perhaps you got a glimpse during their, "experiments" on you? I have the "need". My stg. II heads, have the "need". We want the power ! I can't wait another hour. Let's build a "hp. golden shower", etc. etc.roverman.
Title: Re: Electron Beam welding/ailing ray gun ?
Post by: NixVegaGT on December 30, 2009, 09:19:37 PM
I wonder if we could weld the aluminum bore liners with this method.
Title: Re: Electron Beam welding
Post by: roverman on December 30, 2009, 11:18:28 PM
UGH! What you mean we? paleface.VERY expensive for non-prodution use. Your better half is giving you an unlimited budget in 2010? If I can get two heads, "EB'd" for 300-$500,(1 weld ea.), I'll be strokin/danglin articiple, like yuse-guys.Preheat and tig is a good/cheep method for 4" bore,symesed alum.cans. Ray Gun not required,(no, not a dead president).roverman.
Title: Re: Electron Beam welding
Post by: NixVegaGT on December 31, 2009, 07:55:26 AM
LOL
Title: Re: Electron Beam welding
Post by: BlownMGB-V8 on December 31, 2009, 11:58:52 AM
I guess you could just weld those tin cans top and bottom right? Any gap in the middle just lets coolant circulate? No real pressure there from the piston anyway.

Jim
Title: Re: Electron Beam welding
Post by: roverman on December 31, 2009, 02:06:31 PM
Ok, now we talkin "tin" bores? I thought we workin V8's? Stainless bores? Aluminum/cast iron bores? I think I'm more confused than "bored".Can we just "hone" our chat-skills here ? you know and "focus"-like...Nic, the non-machinist who will "Tell-All".....MIKE,Jim/clan.     roverman.
Title: Re: Electron Beam welding
Post by: slow_M on January 01, 2010, 01:04:41 AM
(http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=688694&stc=1&d=1245566472)
You've been found out!
:)
Title: Re: Electron Beam welding
Post by: NixVegaGT on January 01, 2010, 11:55:38 AM
WOW! Where'd you get that pic? Look at all those wires. LOL!
Title: Re: Electron Beam welding/ P 76 ?
Post by: roverman on January 01, 2010, 05:40:41 PM
Bernard, nice "teaser", thanks but about as "sharing" as...MIKE ? Intakes look like P 76, could it be ? If so, Nic must find this abomination to further conjugate. Nic, 4.03 bores,(16) should be enough? At least 4" stroke? "It's hip to be square" @ Tractor Pulls ? roverman.
Title: Re: Electron Beam welding
Post by: slow_M on January 02, 2010, 12:22:20 PM
Art,

almost forgot , this guy may be able to help you with what you're looking for,
http://www.aardemasohc.net/index.htm

B
Title: Re: Electron Beam welding
Post by: roverman on January 02, 2010, 01:16:25 PM
Thanks Bernard.I sent them an e-mail and it didn't foward. I'll call them Monday, their like 30 mi. away.roverman.
Title: Re: Electron Beam welding
Post by: roverman on January 04, 2010, 11:13:17 PM
Bernard, I talked to "Pete" today. VERY interesting!  No EB welding, but lot's of data exchanged. I suggest reading the 907 thread. Thanks again for the lead. I predict a very good year for sbb/Rover.  roverman.
Title: Re: Electron Beam welding/Help!
Post by: roverman on January 05, 2010, 10:01:57 PM
I'm still lookin.Virgin heads in dire need of sacrificing to the horsepower gods. Pete Aaardema say he "tigs" together between ink/ehx. valves. I want "EB" between companion cylinders, I believe to be more durable. I firmly believe this head will out-flow the, "TA" or "Wildcat". I'd like to prove it. I'm thinkin they'd work pretty good, even on a 4" bore. Unfortunately, it looks like we're unable to-"MIKE" a 4.020" bore !  ever.......roverman
Title: Re: Electron Beam welding
Post by: slow_M on January 20, 2010, 01:27:50 AM
I knew some guys in Florida that had a sweet rig to do "plasma" welding.
I suspect that it's a different term for the same process.
If you're (fairly) interested, I'll dig them out, but it'll take a bit of sleuthing.

Why not look at the flow numbers first and determine if it's worth pursuing?
B.
Title: Re: Electron Beam welding
Post by: roverman on January 20, 2010, 11:09:39 AM
Bernard and clan. Because sometimes, a red headed step child, needs a chance? This is all "yaaked" in the the head thread. Home ported head flowed 294cfm. @28" in a 3.75 bore. I believe it will out perform the latest-greatest from TA. In spite of this, the ported "907" should out perform both for street use,(area under the curve). Time will tell, roverman.
Title: Re: Electron Beam welding
Post by: slow_M on January 28, 2010, 11:39:54 AM
I just remembered reading about some factory show circuit specials that had V12 (IIRC) made from two blocks and four heads electron welded. If you're still looking for someone to perform that specific task, I'd suggest looking along those lines.
B.