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Still waiting on you guys to let me know of different events around the country where we should display the Roadmaster. Need the event name, dates and location. We'll try to put together a rotation of the car so that we can get the maximum exposure for the project and allow the different drivers a reasonable amount of time with the car as well.
Here's a list I threw together as a sample with some events listed in Hemmings.

Key West British Car Show
April 23-27 2012
Key West, Fl
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Succasunna, NJ
May 5th, 2012:  car show
Britfest 2012 British car show and vendor auto flea market
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Raleigh, NC
May 19th, 2012:  car show
16th Annual Triangle British Classic Car Show
The 16th Annual TRIANGLE BRITISH CLASSIC Car Show, Awards, Raffle, 50/50, Band, Food 22 + British Car Display Classes Saturday, May 19, 2012 Time: 8:30 am - 3:00 pm Location: North Hills Mall 4351 Lassiter Mills Road Raleigh, NC, 27609
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2012 British V8 Meet
May 21 - 23
Palestine, Texas
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Clinton, NJ
June 3rd, 2012:  car show
17th Red Mill British Car Day
Preregistration required-limit 100 British marque vehicles classic or modern
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Kintnersville, PA
July 14th, 2012:  car show
Brits on the Delaware
Brits on the Delaware July 14,, 2012 Kintnnersville, PA 10am-until All foreign marques welcome pre-registration $10 $15 day of show Pre-registration cut off July 9, 2012 Food on site Awards/dash plaques For information Call Tony Hess 610-346-9026 aghbop@aol.com
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32nd Annual GS Nationals!
OCTOBER 10 - 13, 2012
Beech Bend Raceway, Bowling Green, Kentucky
Kansas City All British
Sept 2, 2012
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St. Louis All British
September  X  2012
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Brits in the Ozarks
September (later part of month)
2013  Fayetteville , Arkansas
Memphis Euro Auto Fest
October 5-6. 2012  


If any of these events are close to you and you'd like to take the car to any of them let us know. As you can see we need to have some schedule in place before April at least to catch some of the early spring events.
Send event information to bkyoung@kc.rr.com
Thanks

How about taking it to one of the National Street Rod shows?  They are now open to cars up to 1982.

Here's the schedule:

April 13-15: Oklahoma City, OK
April 27-29: Bakersfield, CA
May 4-6: Knoxville, TN (our local British car Gathering is May 6-11 in Townsend)
May 25-27: Springfield, MO
June 1-3: York, PA
June 22-24: Pueblo, CO
August 2-5: Louisville, KY
September 14-16: Kalamazoo, MI
September 21-23: Burlington, VT
October 5-7: Sacramento, CA
October 12-14: Tampa, Florida

Or even better yet, why not take it on the Hot Rod Power Tour?  Wouldn't it be great, and get us a lot of publicity, if a bunch of us could make the Power Tour as a group along with the Roadmaster?  Here's the tenative schedule:

Saturday June 2, 2012 -  Detroit, MIchigan
Sunday June 3, 2012 -  Muskegon, Michigan (205 mi)
Monday June 4, 2012 -  Champaign, Illinois (285 mi)
Tuesday June 5, 2012 -  venue is yet To Be Announced
Wednesday June 6, 2012 -  venue is yet To Be Announced
Thursday June 7, 2012 -  Stillwater, Oklahoma (650 mi)
Friday June 8, 2012 -  Arlington, Texas (268 mi)
Saturday June 9, 2012 -  Long Haul Photo and awards

If none of us can make the whole tour, we could join up and drop of at various locations and swap out Roadmaster drivers. That way, the Roadmaster could make the entire tour. We would surely get a LOT of press with that (and have a great time to boot)

Hot Rod Power Tour.  Awesome idea, Dan!

That's the idea Dan, now we need guys to step up and select a show they'd take the car to if they had it at the time. From that we can build a rotation for the car to get the maximum exposure for the project and also allow those who have contributed so much time to drive it and enjoy the fruits of their labors. If the car was in the KC area next September I'd see that it made the KC All British, and either the Brits in the Ozarks or the St. Louis shows if they fall on the same weekend or both if they don't,  then pass the car on to someone else.

As for the Hot Rod Power Tour, looks like June 5th and 6th they'll be in the Missouri area, I could probably do a stint in that case.

If you are willing to share with your Canadian cousins, there is also the annual British Car Day held just outside of Toronto in mid Sept. This coming year it's Sept 16, 2012.  Usually 1500 to 2000 cars for a one day event!  

http://www.torontotriumph.com/BCD/

Regards,

Martin

Martin, certainly we're willing to share, but first on the list are the people who have made contributions of both time, parts, and money to the project. Then we'll move out to a wider group. Those people know who they are I'm sure and have been in on the project from the beginning. One other thing to note, where businesses such as Mr. Mike contriubted we should try to take in shows in their business area as well to promote their interests and contributions.
As you can see by the calendar there are way too many events throughout the year at or near the same time to possibly make all of them, we'll have to work on a multiple year schedule I'm sure to get everyone covered. This car is going to be moving around for quite a while to work everyone in.

Hot August Nights(Reno), is huge. Barret Jackson show/auction and John Force shows in Org Co., Ca. are huge. If interested, I can get dates. roverman.

How about the West coast???? I had no idea that the US was that small.  :-)

That puppy should be able Ca. in no time.

Bill, we just need to work out a series of sites where we could exchange drivers in order to get the car out west and then back east again when the time comes. It's not going to be easy to work out a sequence of events that make sense both in miles covered and time spent, but I hope we can come up with a schedule that would take the car from the east coast through the midwest and then on to Colorado, Reno, and Califorinia hitting events all along the route and then back again later in the year. We also would look at more northeren events for the summer months and some southern events for the early spring or late fall time frame. Let's assume we could get the drivers together and do the Power Tour, that puts the car in the Dallas area in mid June, where to from there? Do we have events and volunteers to take the car west at that time or do we head back east, it all depends on those people willing to step up and make the commitment to show the car to the max and deliver it to the next person on the list in time for the next event.

QuoteHow about the West coast???? I had no idea that the US was that small. :-)

That puppy should be able Ca. in no time.

Bill,

Currently, the Roadmaster is occupying about 85 square feet of floor space in Florence, KY. The area of the US is about 100 trillion square feet, plus or minus a few million.  100 trillion divided by 85 is roughly 100 trillion, rounded off to 10 decimal points. To get the Roadmaster to cover the US will require the work of a LOT of volunteers. It'll get from coast to coast only if we can get enough enthusiasts to set up a "Pony Express" type relay team.

I'm sure we have enough enthusiasts do do it, but finding enough at the right place, the right time, and with enough spare time to do it may not be possible.

Dan, let's consider the Power Tour as a sort of test. Who could take the car from Florence to Detroit? We have a few guys in the area around Champagne, IL who might be able to get the car from Muskegon to St. Louis and a couple of guys here in Missouri that could get the car from St. Louis to Oklahoma, now who can finish the trip down to Arlington? Then where would we take the car? We certainly couldn't get much better publicity than to make the entire tour. Lots of miles on the car for the drivers and lots of spectators along the way as well as the magazine coverage. We have a few months to work it all out, I think it's a good place to start if we can.

Bill, I can do the GS Nationals at Bowling Green, Knoxville and/or Louisville. I can participate in the Power Tour, either to or from. I see that some of the venues are not yet set. Everything looks really good so far, everyone has really good ideas.

JB

I could do the Oklahoma to Arlington leg...  Or meet folks there & accompany the group in my car.

The only big things I have left to do are the exhaust, steering shaft, and remount the radiator, so if the money holds out I should have the GT on the road for Palestine in May and plan to be at Arlington as well.  I would like to have a new paint job by then but that may have to come later.  The Stillwater to Arlington leg may be possible, but my agent controls my schedule so I won't know for sure until the time gets closer.  

Paul

That's a great response guys, I think we can work it out. If the three stooges or others in that area can cover some of the miles between Michigan and St. Louis we'll have it set.
Now where would the car go after Texas?

Yes, I'm sure that the Stooges will be able to help out in some manner. I've not looked at my work schedule yet.

Last year Vintage Air coordinated a caravan from San Antonio to LA as part of one of the major events.  Not sure if it was part of the Power Tour or something else.  I'll call for info and find out timing if they're doing it again this year.

Just a thought,

After Texas meet, If the roadmaster needs to go "West"?

Bill Guzman? Camarillo is really not out of my way going back home? I would go the Tehachapi route on the way out to the meet.

Brenda and I will be bringing our enclosed race trailer that is 14' inside from front to back on the nose. I don't know how long the roadmaster is but my TR6 fits with a few inches on both ends??... I wouldn't mind driving my TR6 back west after the meet! Brenda just doesn't want to sit in a TR6 for that long of a hall, so the trailer is coming.

Jim could probably measure the total length of the roadmaster now?

Some photos of the trailer to give  the idea of security.

This trailer can't be accessed from the outside, or cut locks off. On the side door, has 2 dead bolt locks, and one recessed lock.
The back drop door needs to be unbolted from the inside. Also the VW that is inside is a lowered car. Have race ramps for low cars.Use overkill rachet tiedowns all four corners.

Trailer has a 7000lbs max and weights 2300lbs dry. Two axle torsion ride.
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That's a great offer Calvin, unfortunately if you're refering to the V8 meet that's in May and the Power Tour won't end in Dallas until June 9. Nice rig you have. Looks like the Roadmaster would fit with room to spare.

Got some infiormation on the Hot Rod Power Tour. Entry fee for the car will be $80 before May 23. We would need to register the car using the name of the first driver of the group. If you would like to tag along on any day's tour with your own car the daily fee is $30 per car. If we can get this together and make sure we have drivers for each leg I'll personally register the car for the event. I think Dan had a great idea here. We need to have it all nailed down before May 23 though.

Strike two for Bill Guzman... The Vintage Air tour next year is from San Antonio to Bowling Green KY.  Don't have the date they'll head out but it ends at the NHRA Hot Rod Reunion at Beech Bend Raceway June 14-16 so I'd  guess a few days before that.

Rob that would be an excellent way to get the car back east for other events. There must be some events either along the way or near Bowling Green that we can take in as well. As soon as you get more information on that event please post it and we'll try to line up some drivers for that one as well.

Will do Bill.  

I know there are plenty of folks in line ahead of me, but if Roadmaster does stay in TX between Palestine & the Vintage Air tour, there'd be plenty of opportunities to show it off.  Off the top of my head I can think of:  
  * Saturday nights at a nearby Kroger -- Niftee Fifties (niftee50ees.com) -- typically about 200 cars -
     mostly hotrods & muscle cars, but always at least 8-10 Cobras & typically an LBC or two, early restored
     VW's, etc. -- atmosphere is very relaxed -- folks mill around & chat
  * Cars & Coffee @ a local shopping center the 1st Saturday of June (every 1st Saturday; a couple hundred
    cars with tons of high end cars like Fararri's, Lambo's, etc. + muscle, cars, hot rods, Cobras, tuners, etc.  
  * All British & European Car Day (May 22nd in Dallas)
I'm sure Wayne & some others could come up with other events in Dallas, Austin, & San Antonio.

Progress has been made, we now have Bill Davidson and myself who will see the car through from where ever the stop in eastern Missouri is to Stillwater, OK.
Rob, I think you might be on to something for a while and I know you'll enjoy the car and take good care of it, but we need to figure out how to get the car back east. Will your schedule allow that much time?

Hey guys, there are a lot of you out there that contributed to the Roadmaster project either in cash, parts, or labor. Remember, this car isn't going to be trailered, so we need a list of people and events that spans the entire driving season and can move the car logically from place to place, driver to driver without anyone having to go far out of their way. If we can do the Power Tour, we then need a succession of driver's and events that will move the car back east in time for some of the summer events in that part of the country. We want to have the car end up with Jim around October so that he can take it to the Buick GS Nationals and then put it away for the winter. If we can't find a volunteer and schedule to move the car from Dallas then perhaps the Power Tour won't work out, we just can't leave the car there at the end.
And don't think that if you sign up for the Power Tour and only have the car for a day or two that that time would be your only turn with the car, I hope that everyone on the list will have at least a couple of weeks or more with the car as it moves around the country, it's just the format of the Power tour and the distance involved that makes handing the car off every couple of days seem the logical choice.
Basically what we're looking for is guys to step up and say, "If I had the Roadmaster in (name the month) I'd take it to this or these events and could deliver it to someone else at an event midway between those two people.
In my case it would be, if I had the car in late August, early September I would take the car to the KC All British, The Goodguys show that same weekend, the GOBMC show in Carthage, MO, and deliver it to someone at the St. Louis All British later in the month. Now we'd need someone to step up and say they could pick up the car in St. Louis and move it on to someone else hitting some good events along the way.
I'd like to get most of this all finalized before mid May if we can, as the entry time for some of the spring events would be rapidly approaching at that time.

Any of our group up around DesMoines Iowa? I see a Goodguys event up there in late June and others around Chicago later on, good fun and great exposure. Any takers?

Where and when are you going to be in Eastern Missouri please?  Would like to see the car.  Can I suggest John Mangles (MG Doc) at all British Car Repair Shop. Overland Mo. 10 mile west of downtown St.Louis.  St.Louis has strong MG and Triumph car clubs.....Or the alternative is a Hooters that the Missouri Endurance Rally normally leaves from.  Inexpensive motel near by.

David, the overnight stops will be set by the organizers of the Power Tour, we don't have anything to say about those. Currently no sites have been selected, but if you're going from Champaign, Illinois to Stillwater, Oklahoma you almost certainly have to pass close to St.Louis and the Springfield - Joplin area if you're going to keep the daily mileage around 240 miles or so. I guess they might go more north through DesMoines and then down to KC, but the roads past KC to Oklahoma aren't all that good, mostly 2 lane. You can keep checking the Hot Rod Magazine web site for the latest news on the overnight stops and I'll keep you guys up to date here as I hear news.

RE:  Will your schedule allow that much time?
 
I'm sure I can handle the PowerTour & the local stuff.  If no one else wanted to start the 1st leg of the return trip, I could do 1 leg of that but would want to swap out w/someone at the end of the day on the 14th.  That way I could make it home before the end of the weekend.  At the end of the day, if using the Vintage Air tour doesn't work, no hard feelings of course.

Probably the best way to figure out a plan for the year is like you noted above -- have folks say what/when would work for them & work out a plan that makes sense.

June works for me because of the timing of the PowerTour to Arlington (my folks live in the Dallas area) but we have a pretty long season -- pretty much mid-March through October or November there are plenty of warm days.  The Saturday night hot rod gathering I mentioned goes every Saturday from Easter through Halloween.

We also do need to figure out when to get the car to the west coast.

Rob, my personal opinion is that everyone who contributed to the project have at least a couple of weeks with the car at a minimum. With events in almost everyone's area most every weekend that would allow them to really show off the car to their friends and get the feel of what they helped build. To get everyone included it might take a couple of years at least but that's the purpose of the project, to spread the word on how much fun modified British cars can be. We could have formed a list based on the size of the persons contribution but that wouldn't insure that the car would get the maximum exposure and make a logical transistion from place to place, so we decided to work from location of the car rather than personal contribution.
As for getting the car out west, we're working on that, but there are a lot of miles in between and very few members between Colorado and California. We'll figure it out, might be 2013 before we can get it out there. I'll retire next August and have more time to work on transporting the car if we just need drivers. I'm hoping that we can work something out after the 2013 V8 meet in Omaha to get the car west, at least to Curtis in Colorado as a start. It's a fairly complex logistical problem but we're making progress.

Bill any time of the year for California and yes several places to show the GT Goodguys events, several of them a year.
 Sunday coffee gatherings from San Diego to Santa Barbara, 300 days a year.
Car shows every month and the list goes on.

We also have a museum that would show the car for as long as we want.
So....anytime, bring the bad boy over. I will be waiting.

Bill G, it sounds like you've just handed us the formula for the California leg. Get it out there whenever we can do it, and there's a home for it until we can arrange a trip back. That should help. I just hope you don't mind too much if we try to satisfy most of our obligations in this part of the country before it heads your way.

JB

Find with me Jim B.

The first post had me giddy about Key West, I may have to make that run anyway and see what the purists have to say ):-]

The guys from KC who make it down there say it's a great event, a lot of relaxed fun.

Well guys it's 2012 and getting closer to the Hot Rod Power Tour. Those of you that have already made the committment to help drive the car on the trip are getting close to running out of time to make their hotel reservations etc, so we need to finalize that last couple of days with Rob and then where the car goes from Dallas. If it comes down to it and Rob can't continue with the car I could go on down from Stillwater, OK to Dallas and then drive the car back to KC for a while until we can arrange a swap. But I'll have to know pretty soon so that I can make reservations and arrangements on the Dallas end. Anyone interested in making the power tour please let me know as soon as possible. Cut off for registrations is the 21st of May, same day as the start of the V8 meet in Palestine, but hotel reservations will have to be made much earlier I expect so we need to nail down all the participants by mid March at least I'd think. Along with car shows like the one Jim's been invited to this type of event will really give us some great press and exposure for the car which is why we built it in the first place.

Bill & crew, I'm sure I can handle the OK to Dallas leg and either swap out with someone in Dallas for where the car goes next or bring it to Houston and show it at the various events around here till the next move.

Consider this schedule The Good Guys  They have a few events in that part of the country where you guys want to keep the RM

I am a member of the Good Guys and they do a great show. They may make an exception for the RM.
It would not hurt to contact them.

Here is the schedule  http://www.good-guys.com/events/eventsList.aspx?year=2012

Good-guys accepts 1972 and earlier cars. The RM should make the cut. It's a '68, right?

Dan, I don't remember exactly what year the body is, but it's definitley pre 72 because of the steering wheel design. Great idea you had, it looks like it's working out great.
Bill G. I've looked at the Goodguys schedule, was hoping to get the RM to the Goodguys show in KC in September, just waiting for others to volunteer to host the car at other events around the country so we can set up the tour schedule. As with the Hot Rod Power Tour, the car will either go to Houston with 'Rob or back to KC with me after the tour because we don't have anyone else ready to take the car to some other shows and areas. One of the groups problems is that we are a pretty scattered bunch without many members either west of Dallas or in the south, so making connections is going to be a bit more difficult when the car is in certan areas of the country, but we will work it all out and get the car to everyone we can as quickly as we can, including you in Southeren California. We have British V8 guys in New Mexico and Arizona, but so far we haven't had a chance to meet them, hopefully we'll see them in Palestine this year. Getting them on board will certainly help with a westward swing for the RM and we still have to find a way to get it up to Curtis in Colorado as well.
Me and my big mouth, though this job would be easy to coordinate. We'll get it done though and try to keep everyone happy along the way while meeting the objectives of the origanization.

The Roadmaster is a 1968 MGB/GT.

I think we now seem to have the line up in place for the Hot Rod Power Tour. As I understand Jim Blackwood will get the car to Detroit and on to Muskegon. Rick Ingram and Pete Mantell will get the car from Muskegon to St. Louis. Bill Young and Bill Davidson will get the car from St. Louis to Stillwater, OK  and Rob Ficalora will get the car from Stillwater to Dallas.
Is that correct guys? If it is then I'll get the car registered for the event next month.

What are the dates again Bill?

JB

2012 HOT ROD Power Tour Dates & Cities

Saturday June 2, Detroit, MI - GM Proving Grounds, Milford

Sunday June 3, Muskegon, MI - Downtown Muskegon

Monday June 4, Champaign, IL - Assembly Hall, University of Illinois

Tuesday June 5, Madison, IL - Gateway Motorsports Park

Wednesday June 6, Miami, OK - Buffalo Run Casino

Thursday June 7, Stillwater, OK - Kicker Corporate Complex

Friday June 8, Arlington, TX - Quicktrip Park

Saturday June 9, Arlington, TX Long Haulers Ceremony (Location TBD)

Read more: http://www.hotrod.com/powertour/hrdp_2012_hot_rod_power_tour_locations_dates_registration/#ixzz1ijfvURcD

Bill, here's a thought: The kick-off for the power tour is right on the heels of the V8 meet in Palestine. Wouldn't it make sense for one of our Northern members to take it with them up there on the way home? There are several ways this could be done, for instance just as an example, if Judy can drive Ted's car they could drop me off here on the way home and then take both cars home with them and then run it over to the start. Or it could be someone else but the idea is the same.

I'm sure this entire plan is going to morph continuously until Palestine, but it'll help a lot if we can be kinda flexible.

JB

Has anybody considered fuel expense to drive from one event location to another? That BBB can get pretty thirsty.

While you are considering things.....

You can bet that all hotels accommodations anywhere near the stops are expensive & long since booked full.

Interestingly enough Graham, the BBB gets pretty good mileage. I don't think we've seen less than 15mpg since initial shakedown and it's been as high as 20. That's not exactly wonderful mileage for a V8 MGB, but at the very least it makes the fuel costs manageable. Of course it's a little tricky to calculate with the speedo reading 2/3.

What are our chances of finding accommodations with other members at the destinations?

JB

Jim, that would be ideal, but so far I haven't heard from Ted or Judy to see if they are interested. I can't just assign things to folks, need them to volunteer and as you can see a pretty good response but not overwhelming considering all the people who say that they want to have a turn with the car. Graham is right, it won't be a real cheap car to drive, but a lot more expensive to tow if we ever had to. I expect everyone that takes a turn with the car to pay their own fuel costs while they have it, but in certain cases like you driving it down to Palestine and back I would think that the organization should help out a bit with fuel costs just like we did when you guys towed it up to Terry's place and back. I figure that I'll spend at least $300 or more to just take the car from the St. Louis area to Oklahoma with motels and everything, but I'm perfectly willing to do that as I really believe in the project and want a chance to get it on the road myself. I realize that not everyone can afford to budget for such things, I'm lucky to have a source of extra income thanks to a bit of inheritance from my parents that I can spend on the project and have been doing so for the past 4 years. Not a lot at any one time, but a bit here and there as we needed it. With the project almost complete I figure that I can give a little more a couple of times to drive the car and then I won't have that expense in the future and can replentish some of my savings a bit. In the long run I can't think of anything that has cost me so little for so much pleasure. I've met the entire V8 group because of this project and I couldn't replace that experience for any amount of money. A great investment on my part in my view.

That's a real good point Bill and very true. I was less concerned about the fuel and lodging than I was about the return trip home with no wheels. The more we can avoid that problem the better off we will be.

JB

Looking at that schedule, If I get a ride back to Champaign or drive the car back there it might be a little easier to get home from there, especially if some members were willing to give me a ride part way, like to Indy? I was just thinking that might be a fun way to make the trip home. I suppose I could always get a rental car or hop a bus or something like that but what fun is that? This is all coming up now because schedule wise I may not be able to be in WV while the car is there for that show, which means taking it there the weekend before and bringing it back later. And of course that complicates things in terms of costs and logistics. Once you start looking at making one way trips you have to also start looking at alternate transportation. An airplane isn't reasonable for such a short distance, trains are almost never available at the right time, rental cars run the cost up a good bit and busses tend towards discomfort. So none of the choices are really ideal. In the end it comes down to finding the lesser evil.

We ran across the Power Tour or one of them last year on vacation in Arizona and Nevada. I guess some of them are bigger than others, there were probably 10-15 cars in this one, certainly not more than 20. I wasn't really paying attention to the numbers. They were at Hoover Dam the same time we were and we also ran into them at a gas stop/restaurant. I guess it's a big event at the spots where they overnight but we never saw that part of it. I would think it would be possible for someone to tag along in a sedan for the return trip. I didn't really notice such an escort but that doesn't mean they weren't there. I sort of got the impression from the ones I talked to that they were making the entire trip so the way we are doing it is probably a little unique. But you know what would be really cool? If some of us were able to unofficially escort them on different legs of the trip. If we could do that it would also mean we'd have a passenger's seat or two available on the way back for the drivers of the GT. Not only that, but because they do make stops on the way we could take advantage of those stops to switch drivers. Of course to do that we need to recruit some people to go along, and we have to have it ready to roll right after Palestine. What do you guys think?

JB

Jim, the number of cars on the tour on any one day varies, you can register for the entire tour or do a one day registration for $30 as I understand. That enables you to drive along with the group and join them at that days stop for what ever activities they have planned. From past tours they've had time on drag strips, auto cross, show and shines, and BBQs. They try to keep the dailly driving hours down to the point where they have time for an activity every afternoon. I expect there to be well over a hundred cars on any particular day of this year's tour judging from photos of previous years.
Yes, making a return trip is one of the hassles of such a tour. That's why I enlisted Bill Davidson to join with me. We'll take his GT over to St. Louis and pick up the car, then I'll drive the Roadmaster while he drives his GT to Miami, OK, then we'll swap off for the next day on down to Stillwater, OK. Then we'll turn the car over to Rob and drive back to KC together. It'll cost us gas and $60 in daily registrations, but that's still a lot cheaper than flying or taking a bus to St. Louis, a cab to the nightly host hotel, and then the same back from Stillwater. It's takes teamwork to make something like this work, but then this group has the teamwork thing figured out pretty darn well I think judging from the results shown in the car.

I just checked hotels in Stillwater; there are about a dozen that still have vacancies... But the less expensive ones are already booked.

Bill, are the plans solid enough to register and have folks start booking?  I'm thinking better to book now & cancel if we don't end up with enough drivers than wait much longer.

Bill, as far as I'm concerned you can go ahead. I don't know how I'll get home from Muskegon but I think I can get the car there, or at the very least to Detroit. Surely Mike or Richard or Steve Carrick or someone could take the next leg.

JB

Thanks Jim. Rob and all I'd say book now, you can always cancle. I'll be making reservations for Bill and myself this week now that the two stops are definite for us.
Jim, I know what you mean, but so far no response from anyone up in that area. I don't know if they're reading this board since none of them has posted in a while. I think I'll ask Rick to send out a Spurious e-mail asking everyone there to monitor this forum for a while to catch up on the latest information.

Probably a good idea Bill. I am going to send you the xcell spreadsheet with the info on our contributors. Allen Mandeen is the guy who gave us the engine. Also nobody has contacted Terry Schulte yet, or Dale Spooner, or really, any of our big contributors. We really need to do that. If we don't we could end up with a pretty embarrassing situation on our hands if they come up to us later and want to know why. I know they could be reading this but we also know not everybody does. Anyway I should be able to send you that spreadsheet tomorrow.

Jim

The Roadmaster is now registered as a Long Haul participant. Had to book it under my name as they required other address informaton on the registering party as well as e-mail address so Jim when you pick up your registration packet in Detroit you'll just have to say you're me. We'll get a goodie bag for the driver and one passenger, so get them both, someone might like an extra one.
Room reservations are made for our stops as well. Rob is right, they are filling up fast, especially in the smaller towns like Miami, Ok which is already full in town, closest hotel still available is in Joplin, about 15 miles away.

Here is the current projected itinerary, those involved may change it around as they see fit but it will give some idea of where the car will be, and where some of you might get a chance to see it:

Friday the 20th, it goes to Milton, W.Va. This is one of the few times it will be trailered. Not because it needs to be, certainly I'd much rather drive it, especially now that the exhaust leaks are fixed, but because I need to pick up Monte-BOOM's blown up TR-7 for a Lexus 1UZ engine swap for the return trip.

Between the 20th and the winter gathering it will be in the Milton to Charleston area as Dan drives it and shows it off to the folks around there. Then, depending on their schedules, Dan, Carl, and Steve DeGroat will bring the car back to Florence for the winter gathering the last weekend of February where it will be for the weekend.

At the conclusion of the gathering, Carl and Steve will take the car, likely leaving it with Carl in Johnson City, where it will stay until Steve returns to get it and take it to Lugoff, SC. We have some contributors in the general area that they may be able to get the car to, including John Ayers in Johnson City, Kelley Combs in Marion, NC and Jack Austin, and there might be some possibility of the car finding it's way back up to Danville during that time.

Then some time prior to the Blount county LBC meet arrangements will be made with Dan Masters and Jim Watson to get the car to Townsend, where it will remain until the run to Palestine, TX.

Dan B, my older son Dave and I will be coming through +1 on the way and can pick up the car to take it to the BritishV8 meet, but by that time you guys will be fighting over who gets to drive the GT so I'll drive whatever car needs a driver.

After the meet we will return to Florence, same arrangement on driving, and then the car will go on up to the peninsela. Mike Moor has offered to help with that but we will have to work out the details duing the gathering. Dave VanWyck (who built the exhaust system) is originally from Muskegon and his cousin John is on the Muskegon committee for the Power Tour. I think it would be very good form on our part to let him drive the first leg of the tour, and he is VERY excited about that possibility. He also will be at the gathering so plans can be made then. From this point on Bill is in charge of the schedule so whatever he says goes. I will assist where needed, I think we've got a general idea of what we'll be doing with it after the tour, and it's probably a good idea to try to keep the schedule as flexible as we can for about as long as seems reasonable. We intend that every person who contributed to the car at the very least get to drive it, and I think we've had a good start in doing just that.

Jim

What a great start to the year. Thanks Jim and all for filling up these winter and spring months with a great schedule. Looks like we're pretty well lined up until the end of the Power Tour, from then on we don't have anything specific scheduled yet, but we're working on it. If anyone is interested then let me know when and where and we'll try to work it all out.

I'm booked at the Residence Inn for Stillwater.

We're at the La Quinta.

Bump.  Well it looks like the Roadmaster is going to be pretty busy between now and the Power Tour thanks to the guys back east who have a whole line up of shows to attend. A great outing for the WV show thanks to Dan as well. We're still looking for volunteers to host the car after the Power Tour. Rob has some events he wants to attend but then we need to get it started in another direction if we can. Between Rob and I we can probably get the car back to Kansas City if that would help anyone plan anything. I know it's early in the year to be thinking about summer events, but I along with others need to plan our time off work if we're going to take part in any moves.

I believe the Champagne British Car Festival will be conflicting with the Power Tour in June.

We need to get it up to Grand Rapids in August for the UML Summer Party. The purists will have a cow.

The Des Plaines All British Show is in September and draws 700 or so British cars.

The Indy Show is usually in September and draws a couple hundred.

So does the St.Louis show, also in September....not to mention the Kansas City meet.

Seems as though the Memphis show is in October as is the Chattanooga Choo-Choo.

First off-- Bill, just AMAZING job you're doing handling the Roadmaster scheduling.    I can't say thank you enough for jostling all these dates and desires, etc.   You get it to even half the people who want it, I'll be suitably impressed!

Some notes at this end:

A) I have talked with Dale Spooner, thinking that if/when the RM makes it my way I could find a time to get it up to Him.   He said thanks but just too busy to worry about it.   So, don't feel you're leaving Dale out-- he'll be pleased to hear it's wracking up the miles!   :-)

2) I think we're onto something re: California and/or Florida-- why does the car need to be "put away" in October?   It's still very driveable weather down here for most of November (and then again in February)  and year round at the other two.   Should we consider taking Guzman up on his offer of the car "wintering" in California?   I think my concern (and probably Jim's, too) is that at some point we'll probably have a list of maintenance items and small fixes compiled and we might have to "careen" the car to get these done.   :-)

c) And, one question about logistics (that alludes to Jim's problem of getting back from Muskegon...):  is there a set format for delivering the car?   In the past, often he who has it next has gone and retrieved it (rather than it being brought, though that wasn't always the case.)  I'm just wondering if it aids logistics to follow a similar format?   Otherwise, some people do tons of driving to get the car and the others none at all, etc.  

c-4) I also wonder if the hand-offs make sense to occur AT THE CAR SHOWS.    This gives a reason for the next guy (and his buddy) to go over in their car, pick up the roadmaster (from the guy who's taken it to the show with HIS buddy, etc...) and then bring it back.    Seems a higher chance for success in having the extra drivers on hand, plus it has the "draw" for why someone would be there.   Also has an "open time" for exchange-- the time of the show going on.  

Just spitballing...

5) AS for when it comes here-- I'm easy.  :-)    Steve said he might bring it up to get on the dyno so I'll make sure to drive it then.     And I'm happy to take it up the east coast to anyone else (Tim Duhamel, Jim Stuart?) and hop a train back.   :-)   The local car show is *just* before Palestine, and I'll miss it so as to be on my way to Texas.   Only other event that it might be cool to do would be the Gold Cup race (late October-- winter storage by then?) 'cuz I could take it around the track during lunchtime laps and then keep it in the Paddock for all the Gearhead/Racers to see.   :-)

6) How are we getting it to Canada, eh?

Cheers,

M

Max, there are no set rules, but what I'm striving for is to be able to make exchanges at events if we can. I"ll try to use a hypothetical example. Say I had the car in KC, I'd take the car to the St. Louis Briltishcar show and hand it off to Rick or Pete who could then take it back to the Champaign area with them, then they could take the car to a show east or north of them and hand it off to someone else in the group. That way we'd eliminate most of the special trips by exchanging the car at shows these guys would normally attend anyway. I could get a ride back to KC with one of my friends who is there anyway and Rick and Pete could drive over together and then drive  back in seperate cars. We may not always be able to make such arrrangements, but even without a show I can think of places I could swap off the car where I might be visiting friends or relatives anyway, it will just require some coordination to make the connectons work out to everyones advantage. The problem with the California leg is that we don't have anyone in the group between Texas, Denver, or South Dakota and California, that makes a convient swap chain very difficult to work out and travel costs wll be much more than most of us want to absorb personally. We will find a way though, if not this year then maybe after the 2013 British V8 meet, where maybe Bill G would fly in as he's done for many events and drive it back to Camarillo. Options are open, we just need to figure out the details.

Gentlemen,

Here an exchange from the Race Cars and Motorsports forum.

Quote(from Curtis Jacobson) I'm sure Roadmaster would be welcome in the paddock at Road Atlanta during The Mitty, April 27-29. At least six MGB GT V8 racers are planning to meet there. I was thinking of flying into Atlanta just for the weekend, and probably renting a car. I'll camp at the track. Is it possible that I might be able to "borrow" Roadmaster for that weekend?

Quote(from Bill young)Curtis, you need to get in touch with Dan Masters. He should have the car around that time. You could probably fly into Tennessee and drive the car down to the Mitty and then back so that he could take it to the Blount county event the following week.

Bill and Curtis (and everyone else)

That's the weekend I had planned to get the car from Steve, over in NC. The following weekend it's scheduled to be in the Street Rod show in Knoxville; the weekend after that, it's due to be at the British car Gathering in townsend. A couple of options come to mind:

1. I could get it a week earlier and then Curtis could pick it up here as Bill suggested.
2. If someone could get it to Atlanta in time for Curtis to take it to The Mitty, I could then pick it up in Atlanta.
3. If someone could get it to me a week or so prior to the Mitty, I could take it down to Atlanta and bring it back here after Mitty.
4. Curtis could fly to NC, pick the car up, and then take it to The Mitty, and then fly home out of Atlanta. I'd pick the car up in Atlanta and drive it up here.

I think option 1 would be the best. I can show Curtis some realy great driving roads from here to Road Atlanta (including The Dragon, if he wants). It is, if I remember correctly, about a 4 hour drive from here, but a very pleasant drive. Another plus to option 1 - The Knoxville air port is MUCH less of a hassle than Atlanta, and you can avoid the madhouse that is the interstate system getting from the Atlanta airport through the City of Atlanta

I thought you guys could work it out Dan, thanks for responding. Hope it works out for all, I know that Curtis would love to drive the car throught the mountains down to the Mitty, I know that I would.

The Dayton, Ohio British Car show is always the first Saturday in August, this year August 5. The Dayton show is the largest British car show in Ohio, typically having 325 to 350 registrations. Dayton is located 50 miles north of Cincy and is @ 200 miles from Grand Rapids. This would be be a logical place to display the car and is a potential "leg" on a trip to Grand Rapids.

That sounds good Mike, we'll see if we can get the car headed back your way before then.

It looks like I will have the CAR for the bug show at Lowes motor speedway on April 22.
I will plan to take it there and then get it to Dan the next weekend.
OK?

Steve

That will work fine if Curtis doesn't step up and want to take it to the Mittty. He'd have to pick it up from you and drive it down from SC instead of Tennessee, the get it back to Dan. Curtis, what say you? Is it something you can work out? If so then the Roadmaster will be busy every weekend from April 22 through May 13 and that's what we want, plenty of guys driving it and great exposure for the project. Doesn't get any better than that.

re: "The Mitty" race weekend at Road Atlanta, April 26-20

Please count me in as definitely committed!

Although I haven't bought airline tickets just yet, I have at least left a phone message for Steve and I've spoken with Dan. My hope is that it will be convenient for Steve to pick me up at the Columbia SC airport on Wednesday afternoon, April 25th. (I think that's about forty minutes from Steve's home in Lugoff SC.)  The drive from Lugoff to Road Atlanta should take about four hours. I'll have the Roadmaster on display at the track for the whole race weekend.  Then, I expect the paddock at Road Atlanta will start emptying out around 3 or 4pm on Sunday... and I'll head toward Alcoa TN. That's also about a four hour drive. (I'll definitely want to do it in daylight and on dry roads because I expect it to be a magnificent ride the whole way!) My thought is to meet up with Dan on Monday morning, have a nice lunch somewhere, and hand off the car. Dan says the Knoxville airport is only about three miles from his home... and it looks like there's a 4pm flight back to Denver.  I hope this plan suits everyone else, because I'm getting very excited about it!

Now... I could use some help with one other detail. While I'm at The Mitty, I expect I'll have a paddock parking pass and I also expect it won't be any problem at all for me to park the Roadmaster in very close proximity to the MGB GT V8 racers... Jerry Richards, Les Gonda, etc. - I know they'll love to have it!  But I understand there will also be "car corrals" where various car clubs will be shining-up and showing their streetcars during the race weekend.  It would be ideal if someone would volunteer to help me with the presentation of the Roadmaster in that context. (Smile and talk to the nice people about the dynamic Roadmaster team and their visionary mission. Talk up the Roadmaster's various sponsors. Encourage children to try out the driver's seat. Wipe away dirty fingerprints. Etc... and incidentally free up more of my time so I can photograph more racecars.)  Anyone interested?

It's gonna be a great weekend!

That's great Curtis! I'm a bit too far away to help with the show part, but hopefully someone will step up. I'll bet you could probably rangle a drive around during the lunch break as well so everyone could see it on the track.  I know we'll all be seeing some great photos from the event and the car will get great exposure to the racing community.

When I have been to the Mitty, and it has been a long time, they had a large area near the main gate for the Car Corral, but it was not open the whole weekend.  That has probably changed.  It would be a good idea to get Jerry or Les or one of the other guys to save you a parking space in their pit area.  Are you going to drive the car to an from the hotel, or bum rides?  We found that staying in Gainesville worked a little better, but there may be more hotels closer now.  We stayed at the Shoney's Inn the last few times I went.

Burt Levy always did a thing on the PA the few years I went, interviewing the famous drivers and other car owners throughout the weekend.  It would be really cool if you could hook up with him if he is going and get interviewed.  They always had parade laps too.  That would be fun.

Be sure to point out to the Triumph guys that the Roadmaster does have TR parts..(shift knob, hood latch) : )

Yes, as Dan said, other British cars represented there including Jag rear and wheels and Aston type fuel filler, but basically it's still an MGB GT. Dan I was wondering where that Triumph shift knob came from?

I can check with Tim Stoddard and see if we can get any preferential parking for the Roadmaster at the Mitty.

Great idea, Rick!  Bill, the TR7 shift knob come from Edith's TR7.  We found it in the trunk or glove box or something.  Roadmaster needed one, seo I stuck it on there.  The main reason I mentioned the Triumph stuff is that is the featured marque at the Mitty this year since it is the 60th anniversary of the TR.  Kas Kastner is scheduled to be there.

OK...the e-mail has been sent along with some pictures of the Roadmaster. The "Ways & Means Committee" along with Curtis was copied on this e-mail.

"The main reason I mentioned the Triumph stuff is that is the featured marque at the Mitty this year since it is the 60th anniversary of the TR"

Great, maybe Curtis can sell the shifter knob!  It'll be in the glove box.  ;)

(http://www.britishracecar.com/JerryRichards-MG-MGBGTV8-2/JerryRichards-MG-MGBGTV8-2-AD.jpg)
(my preferred motel)

QuoteAre you going to drive the car to an from the hotel, or bum rides?

Assuming it's like most other racetracks, my preference is to bum some floor space in an empty car trailer. Jerry lives near Road Atlanta. If he goes home to sleep in a real bed each night, he might be happy to have someone doing guard duty at his trailer.  Back in the day, my college buddies and I used to tent-camp in the infield at Road Atlanta. The paddock will be more convenient to toilets, showers, and especially racecars - not to mention free beers. (I'll save a bunch of money and commuting time too!)

You guys should ALL come to this race. It's going to be a GREAT weekend!

This in from Tim Suddard of Grassroots Motorsports/Clasicmotorsports magazines (and the Mitty):

"Rick,


Once you get registered for the event, I am sure we can get you a good spot, front and center at the MG car corral, that will be located right near our big tent, which is the center of everything, at the Classic Motorsports Mitty. Please come early. This is going to be huge! Thanks for your help.


Tim Suddard"

That is VERY cool Rick.

Jim

And in from Andy of Classic Motorsports:

"Hey Rick, the car is awesome! It looks like it can eat any Bugeye that gets in its way. Also all the Mitty info is at themitty.com

We also have a message board at Classic Motorsports where I have started to post additional Mitty information. Please feel free to chime in about the car and post a picture of it.

The message board direct link is:

http://classicmotorsports.net/forum/classic-cars/lots-happening-at-the-2012-mitty/46387/page1/

You need to register on the site to post but it is free and takes only a minute. I know people would love to see pictures and learn more about the car.

Can't wait to see it in person.

Andy"

Took my car to Cars & Coffee this morning - probably 60 Lambos & Ferrari's, as many Porches, Corvettes, & a couple hundred other cars... and I had 3-4 people huddled around my car the entire morning.  One guy that was looking chatted for a while - he was interested in doing a swap himself so I gave him the board's URL.  His name was Les so be on the lookout for a new member here.  Anyway, reason for posting is it will be a great venue to show off the Roadmaster.  There are Cars & Coffee gatherings in lots of cities so for those who'll have the Roadmaster, check to see if you have one near you too.

Looks like the nearest Cars & Coffee for us would be Charlotte, NC.

http://charlotte.carsandcoffee.info/

Thanks Rob. I found one in Cincinnati on Kellogg Ave. I'll check it out soon as it's warmer.

Jim

The Roadmaster is now registered for the NSRA Southern Nationals here in Knoxville, TN, May 4 - 6. My car is also registered. If you're in the area, come by and check us out. In addition to these two cars, there will be around 3500 other fun cars to ogle, along with a couple hundred vendors.

This time of year is soooo great!

Make sure you get some good pics Dan.

That's going to be great exposure for the Roadmaster Dan, thanks for hosting it there. I ordered tools for the lug nuts and had them shipped directly to Carl, might have them already, but one item was on backorder so it may be delayed. Still need a couple of small tool bags for the car and I forgot to order those at the time. I'll get those on order or buy them locally and bring them down to Palestine with me.

Rick's been posting photos on facebook and the MGE and has everyone excited. What we need now is a bunch of good video to share with the masses who can't get over to see and hear the car. Let's get those cameras busy guys on some of these trips to the various shows and events.

Do we have a Roadmaster facebook page or is he posting to his personal page?

Rob, I don't know. He's a friend so his posts show up on my news page so I think he's posting on his personal page. I don't remember ever friending a Roadmaster page.

I've been posting to my personal page as well as to the Loyal and Ancient Order of the Sacred Octagon.

I can start a Roadmaster page if you wish.

Rick wrote:

-->I can start a Roadmaster page if you wish.

Oh good.   Stuffed animals and kitty cats befriend the BADASS.  :-p

It's a CAR---  it's not a corporation.  It shouldn't have RIGHTS, priveleges.   (Wait a minute....)  

:-p

M

Actually Max....BADASS is incorporated as a Not-For-Profit entity.

:)

OK, I am a little late to this thread but wanted to chime in on some potential events in Colorado.  I have not read all the posts on this thread so I have no idea of where the schedule is with the Roadmaster.
In Colorado, the first Saturday of the month during warm weather, Golden, Colorado (home of Coors), hosts a car show. There are hundreds of cars, all cruising, parking, etc.  There is just about anything at the show.  This would be a great venue for the Roadmaster.  The Good Guys show is in June, I think, and is in Loveland, Colorado.  This one is high end hot rods and customs (I am sure you guys have been to a Good Guys show).
In June, there is the Glenwood Rallye, this is the longest annual runninng rallye in America, in Glenwood Spirings, Colorado (home of the largest outdoor hot spring pool).  This June is the 60th year of the run.
There are numerous shows all over the Denver metro area during the summer as well. I think there shoud be some exposure of the Roadmaster out west!

Brad

Brad, I agree it would be great to get the car out that way. The plan currently in effect is to pass the car among the various supporters and contributors to the project so that each one can get a chance to enjoy the fruits of their labor so to speak. Currently the only charter member we have in your area is Curtis Jacobson in Longmont and I'm hoping that he and I can get together this summer to pass the car to him for a while. As it stands now when the Hot Rod Power Tour is complete the car will be in Texas and no plans in effect at this time on where it will go from there. I'll be talking to people in the area to see if we can arrange a relay to get the car up to at least Wichita, Kansas where I can pick it up and move it on from there to the next point. That should be around the end of June or early in July. Send me a list of the events you think would be good and the dates and we'll see if we can work something out to get the car there.

Hey guys, we need events and volunteers for the rest of the summer, time to speak up. Mike Maloney has already said that he has an event in Ohio in late August that he'd like to take the car to, need some more between Kansas and Ohio to make a smooth transition.

Bill,

I did make a $25 contribution, as well as some parts to the BADASS project but that has been a few years ago - I think I also particpated in the discussion of the BADASS designation/naming.  It's my fault that I have been more of a participant on the MGE forum instaed of this one.  I am seeing that BritV8 is more in-line with what I am doing with my car.

 I can PM you will the official events/times/dates/places of shows and events in Colorado, but I am sure Curtis is on top of Colorado stuff.

Brad

Brad, your contributions haven't gone unnoticed I can assure you. We'll try to get the car out your way this summer, but it all depends on timing as most of us are still working and have limited vacation time to drive the car across the state or such. I'm already scheduleding more vacation time than I'll earn before I retire so I'll pay for that in my final pay check, and I don't retire until August 1st, so would be too late to get the car to you and still back east to Mike, need someone else to help if we can find them. Rob can get the car back to Dallas from Houston but from there it's uncertain. How do we get the car from Dallas to Colorado? We have to figure something out pretty soon. I hope that we can resolve that issue and others at the V8 meet next month in Palestine.

I would be happy to fly to Dallas and drive the Roadmaster to Denver.  I would need at least a couple weeks notice to set up my reservation and make arragements.  Congrats on your retirement!

Brad

Brad, we will be discussing the movements of the Roadmaster at the meet in Palestine in May. We currently have the schedule comlete unti the end of the Power Tour, from there it's open until August. Sounds like a good plan for now to move it from Dallas to Denver and then head it back east in July if we can. It needs to go up to South Dakota for Terry Schulte to drive and show and there are others along they way that want to see it as well. Unless we can come up with an alternative it won't be until the fall that we might get it headed back west again to California for Bill Guzman and the rest out there. After I retire in August I'll have more time to help transfer the car across the midwest but as with any of us have to keep the expenses reasonable.

It's confirmed. Barring the unexpected, Jim Watson will be taking the Roadmaster to Texas and back.

Great news Dan.
Just got confirmation from Wayne that we have the meeting for the Roadmaster tour schedule on the agenda for Tuesday eveing in the meeting room at the hotel. See you all there.

Got a lot worked out in Palestine. The Roadmaster will be on the Power Tour and then go with Rob Ficalora to Houston and be shown in that area for a few weeks then PJ has volunteered to move it back towards Ohio for some August events. We donated $100 to Jim Watson to aid in his expense for towing the car back to Jim's and I think we should also kick in some gas money to PJ for his trip. We don't have a lot in the treasury at this time, forgot to pass the hat in Palestine, so donations are encouraged. Our new treasurer, Bill Davidson will have an update soon, but I think we still have around $340 in our account as I remember from Steve's last report.
I'd like to have some sort of cushion in the account in case the car needs any parts replaced when on the road and also we'll need some funds for planned maintenance and upgrades this winter as well.
The feedback from all the drivers in Palestine was great. Still some rough edges to the car, but overall quite a great result from our collective efforts. We need to get the gas gauge sorted if we can, don't want anyone to pull a "Curtis" when driving it due to the gauge reading incorrectly.

News from the Power Tour. Jim just called me and reports that the car is garnering some attention and that Mike Moor won't let Jim drive it he's having so much fun. They just pulled out on today's run, lots of cars there. Looking forward to meeting the car in Madison and seeing Rick and Pete.

Well, Jim's drove it plenty, Mike hasn't. Therefore, Mike should be the DD for their leg of the Tour.  :)

next up is Kintnersville, PA?

Todd, need information on that event and who is planning on taking the car there. The next person I have on the list is Mike Maloney for an event near him in Ohio as far as I know and that is in August. Please e-mail me at bkyoung at kc dot rr dot com and let me know what information you have. Thanks.

Attention all Roadmaster drivers and BADASS members. There has been a change in the planned activities for the Roadmaster this summer. Mr. Maloney will not be able to take the car to the Ohio events in August, so we have time available and need input from you guys to work out a new itenerary for the car. Rob it appears that you have some more time with the car to enjoy it now that you have the starter fixed. PJ, need to know what your schedule looks like as well.
Guys, all of you that want to host the car please send me your e-mail addresses so that I can create a mailing list for all concerned and get the latest news out quicker. bkyoung at kc.rr.com

Starter is fixed but its not drivable yet.  Remember I mentioned the oil pressure line looked suspect?  Well when I started it last night it proceeded to squirt about 1/2 a quart of oil on my garage floor before I could shut it off.  Plan to fix that tonight so I can show it at a wounded soldiers fund raiser/car show this weekend.

Is'nt this thing still under warrenty?  Not sure what universe the dealership is in                 ha        
Is this starter thing such an issue because of the big motor/little starter?  Are there simular problem with other BOP/Rover engines?  I don't remember reading much about this being a problem.

David, I'm going to copy your post to the Roadmaster thread so we don't start taking this "Events" thread too far off topic -- I apologize for doing that by sharing the update here.  I'll respond to your comment over there.

Todd, need information on that event and who is planning on taking the car there.



That's just the point, Bill.  I have *NO* information.

I don't even know where the car is right now, much less where it's intended to be heading next.

This is the forum thread for the Roadmaster Events List.  If I can't come here to find out the relevant information why does this thread even exist?  I'm not trying to be snarky or offensive, I'm trying to find out the information which the thread title claims should be in this thread.

If I could make a suggestion:
Copy / paste the current status and upcoming date list into this thread.  Keeping an updated copy on the first post ( if possible ) as well as the last page of the thread shouldn't take more than 5 minutes of browsing time per week.

This way casual members will be more plugged in to the process AND more likely to help out if you have transport or parts / labor needs for the car.  

For instance, I'm in NE Indiana and I whiffed on the Roadmaster appearance in South Bend.  This is mostly my fault.  That date was actually published and I knew it.  I just spaced out, what with working 60+ hours a week.

Right now, I was just trying to find out if the car was going to be swinging back by my area any time soon.  Kintnersville isn't anywhere close to me but I thought maybe the car might pass through in transit.  Mr. Maloney's OH visit would likely have been perfect for me but now that has fallen through.   ;_;

Todd, I have the car here in Houston.  It was going to go to Mike Maloney via PJ sometime late July, but per above looks like that plan is evolving (no hard feelings here - now that i have it back on the road, i've started showing it locally.  

Along those lines, i just got back from a local car show/benefit for two families (Robinson & Johnson) to help with costs related to a motorcycle accident.   Was a great time with  a few bands, good BBQ, and a few great cars.  The Roadmaster had plenty of interest.  Next weekend is the car show for wounded Vets (I had the dates backwards).

I found a couple of flame traps you might try:

http://item.mobileweb.ebay.com/viewitem?itemId=120805477947&index=8&nav=SEARCH&nid=09672473728
 http://item.mobileweb.ebay.com/viewitem?itemId=330761082321&index=0&nav=WATCHING&nid=38566512579
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The first is a Rover part and should fit easily I think but may need more capacity. The second is Volvo. It looks like it will work better if there is room for it.

Jim

I've offered to get the Roadmaster to Michigan for the UML Summer Party (August 16-19) if PJ can get the car to St.Joseph.

For those who haven't noticed, the Roadmaster Events thread is now at the top. The huge Roadmaster thread has been moved to the second one down.  ;)

Nevermind.  It seems to have flipped back on my computer.........weird.

I have offered to fly to Houston Aug. 9 then drive the Roadmaster to Rick.  I would be flying space available (standby).  So _tentative_ is the key word.

Nevermind. It seems to have flipped back on my computer.........weird.


Carl
Both of these threads have been "stickied" by the board moderator.  They will stay at the top of the forum no matter what, until the moderator disables the sticky flag.

They're "flipping back and forth" because they are ordered by  the time and date of the last post in the thread, just like the regular posts in the forum.  You might have one stickied thread or two dozen stickied threads.  Stuck threads will always list first, by the date of the last post made to each respective thread.



I've offered to get the Roadmaster to Michigan for the UML Summer Party (August 16-19)



Sweet!

Grand Rapids is doable.  I did Holland to catch the last showing of "Senna" in the US.
http://www.sennamovie.com/

Great PJ, Please send me your address and I'll send you a check for some gas money.
Rick you'll be in control for a while, I'll be pretty busy travelling in August but will still try to keep up with things as I can. Anyone else wanting the car for fall events needs to speak up soon so that we can make plans.

Just got back from Niftee Fiftee's.  There was a crowd around the car most of the evening and several people took down the britishv8 web site url...
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I've been in touch with Rob and Rick and I plan to fly to Houston Aug 9th meet up with Rob, then get an early start on Aug. 10 to drive to Rick's in IL.  Depending on the heat wave, I may do the trip with one overnight or stop twice if if is as hot as it has been.  I expect it will be pretty darn hot!
I drove the RM once for a few miles in Palestine, so this will be my first long distance trip.  From what I've been reading here I need to stop about every 150 miles to add a quart of oil and about 10 gals of premium gas.  If there are any other tips or suggestions please post or PM.

PJ:

Unless I've missed a post to the contrary, you should be able to but Regular Unleaded into the Roadmaster.   It's a low compression motor...

That's not a big savings, but at 15 mpg-- every little bit helps.  :-)

Enjoy!

M

Thanks Max that could save $16.00 every little bit helps.  
This link is my route for Aug. 10 & 11th If anyone along the way wants to meet up PM me.

https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=210977697046233932943.0004c5e7e42ef00470af6&msa=0

PJ

Yep, I ran regular in it without issue.

Same here.

Same here.

Just a comment on whether to use reg or premium gas.  I have run fuel milage tests on my mgb and found that it is actually cheaper to run premium fuel.  More miles per $ spent.   I did tune the engine and carbs to almost every tank of gas for a while, just for grins.  It may not make a lick of difference with that big ol engine.     bash

Makes sense on an engine running higher compression where the timing can be used to gain power, but I don't think our compression is high enough to make much difference.

UPDATE...

After PJ delivers the Roadmaster to Illinois, I will be taking it to Michigan for its Appearance To The Purists at the UML Summer Party Reunion (August 17-19). This should be interesting.

I'll bring it back to Illinois and showcase it for a couple more weeks; I may be able to get it up to the Chicago area for the all-British show (600 cars or so) in Palatine on September 9th.

Dave Kirkman will be picking it up mid-September to take it over to Indianapolis for several Cars and Coffees as well as Indy British Motor Days (200 cars or so). I'm trying to talk him into getting it to Saint Louis for the all-British show (150 cars or so)there on September 29. (Bill Young....maybe you can coordinate with Dave for this meet???)

http://www.allbritishcarshow.com/  
Here is the link for The British Auto Show hosted by the St.Louis MG Club  Sat 9/15/12.  .http://www.stlouismgclub.com/

The show is held in a beautiful public park, with a lake and lots of shade trees.. There is a meet and greet Barbecue the day before.  (bring a coverd dish) or not.  I believe there were 4 MGB V8s there last year,  All British autos are represented at this show.

Let me know if I can help anyone make arrangements to attend this show.

dave bash

I am also going to attempt to make the all-British show in Palatine, IL (Chicago) in early September.

the UML Summer Party Reunion (August 17-19, Fri to Sun), Grand Rapids, MI and Grattan Raceway
http://www.universitymotorsltd.com/Docs/Summer%20Party%202012.pdf


all-British show (600 cars or so) in Palatine, IL on Sun, September 9th.
http://www.namgar.com/events/calendar_details/chicagoland_british_car_festival/


The British Auto Show hosted by the St.Louis MG Club Sat, 9/15/12
http://www.allbritishcarshow.com/


to Indianapolis for several Cars and Coffees [ Every Saturday @ 96th and Meridian, so Sept 15 + 22 and maybe 29th are all currently possibilities ]
http://www.indycarsandcoffee.com/



Indy British Motor Days (200 cars or so) Fri and Sat Sept 21-22 [ actually the "SirBrit British Motor Car Day", Indy Brit days is in August ]
http://www.ibcu.org/calendar.html

Rick:

Is that Pala-TINE or Pala-TEEN?   :-p

Kube has shaken my phonetic confidence!  

M

Travel to Houston tomorrow morning looks good, if all goes according to plan the Roadmaster should be northeast bound on Friday morning 8-10-12.  Plan to arrive at Rick's on Sunday.

https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=210977697046233932943.0004c5e7e42ef00470af6&msa=0

Have a safe trip PJ.  Just in time for a little cool down.

Cool will be gooooood

PJ called this morning - he made the flight (flying space available) so will be here around 10am.  Highs around 90 today but we have even higher than normal humidity - "feels like" temp will be 105 according to accuweather so won't feel like a cool down.  PJ will have to wait till he gets way north for that!

I am visiting Rob now and will get an early start in the morning

Godspeed!

Hope you have a safe trip PJ. Thanks for all your help.

Had a great visit with PJ.  He's now on his way to Rick's...
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Will welcome him with a cold beverage of his choice.

Safe travels, P.J.

My roadtrip started off well.  After a very nice visit with Rob and Shelly I made it thru Houston before dawn and beat the traffic north bound on Texas 59. After about 200 miles of fun driving, the air bag on the passenger side failed and the whole front end dropped several inches.  Fortunately I was quite close to Cheshire's auto and truck repair.  A new bag has been  overnighted, but they don't deliver to Carthage,TX on Saturdays. I just spoke with  David Breedlove from Shrevepor, LA, found him in the Namgbr mutual aid directory.
Since there is no Sat delivery in Carthage ,  David as offered to receive the air bag package and bring it to Carthage.  If all goes well I'll continue my trip tomorrow afternoon.
What a great support group, thanks to all you guys!

PJ

Posted an update on the roadmaster thread, meant to post it here...

 Just talked with PJ. Repair is complete. He's going to grab some lunch and hit the road. David, if you're out there, thanks again for handling receipt of the Fed-Ex and courrier service! You saved the day!

I just got an e-mail from PJ...he is indeed on the road!

He sent a text message at about 5pm central - said he was in Arkansas.  I like getting the updates but I'll admit it feels a bit like 'where's Waldo'.

He's most likely travelling the route that Jean and I took to Palestine.

I-40 to I-55 to I-57 to I-74 to Saint Joseph.

Carthage is about 12 hours from Saint Joseph; Little Rock about 8 hours; Memphis about 6 hours; Cairo (IL) about 3&1/2 hours.

I anticipate PJ arriving here late morning to mid-afternoon on Sunday.

PJ is currently dining in Little Rock...he has good company, as you can see.


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He will be overnighting in Forrest City, AR before continuing his journey.

Over-nighting in Brinkley, AR , after a late start, 2:20 pm, due to the repairs.  Drove until dark.  Another 467 miles tomorrow will get me to St. Joseph.  I plan to start by 7:00 am.
Alls well with Waldo and with Roadmaster

P.J. just pulled a "Curtis" with the Roadmaster at Milepost 51 on Interstate 57 in southern Illinois.

Oops.

A minor setback as he waits for some AAA gasoline.

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What no can of gas in the back?!  ;)

The nearest service center wanted $80 + one dollar a mile + cost of the gas. Boy was I glad when an IL state trooper stopped and offered to take me to the next exit (3 Miles) to buy a gas can and a gal of gas.  He , the trooper, liked the Roadmaster asked a bunch of questions and said he probably  not catch it.  I told him a keep it under a 100 on the interstates so he could catch me, he laughed.  He never said anything about the speed limit.  Here is a photo to cheer one up after an interesting day in the life of a Roadmaster jockey.
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I'm home in Winston-Salem, NC
Thanks to Rick and Jean for splendid hospitality.
Despite the hiccups Roadmaster did do over 800 miles from TX to IL averaging 15.5 MPG and was admired at every stop along the way.  I was assisted by state trooper during the roadside breakdowns and they all liked the car.  One even said that he doubted he could catch it in a chase. And NO SPEEDING tickets, YEAH!!!
I enjoyed my time in the roadmaster. And now we know it's got a new airbag and a new fuel pump. I'm sure Rick and friends will be able to sort out the other little issues. I would be willing to drive RM for another leg of it's tour of the lower 48 states; but I don't know about that Hawaiian tunnel. But first I've got to let my credit card cool off, it nearly overheated this week.
We have family in California, should I deliver Roadmaster to you Bill??

Got my new Oct 12 Hot Rod magazine in the mail.  It's got a ton of pictures from the Power Tour.

Didn't see the Roadmaster.  Am I blind?

Apparently SOMEBODY is.
(Hot Rod editors?)

Jim

Here's a nice listing of upcoming events in the Midwest:
http://www.autorv.com/events.aspx

I was contacted by HR Magazine for additional pictures.

Apparently they were not interested.

I towed the Roadmaster from Mt.Vernon, IL to Saing Joseph, IL where it now resides in my barn.

It will not start; the air bag suspension drops within 4 to 6 hours or so.

Time needed for diagnosis/fixes.

Rick, the air was going down on me, but nowhere near as fast as you're seeing.  I was loosing about 5 psi every few days.  I did pull the hose off at the valve back by the pump to show PJ how to fill it with an air hose if needed.  Maybe I didn't research the hose fully?  That'd be the first place I'd look anyway.

I'd start with the fitting on the new air bag, the check valve, and making sure there are no side loads on the tube going into the gage and bleeder valve. Those are the most likely suspects. I remove, pressurize, dunk, then wait and watch for any bubbles. The goal is Zero.

Jim

Also, the new airbag was installed with a standard hex pipe bushing I believe. This moves the fitting down and causes a side load in the hose and fitting which probably causes a leak. It might be possible to drill a couple of holes in the face of the headless bushing that is in the original air bag and remove it with a pin spanner so it could be reused. I don't think I have any of them left in stock so if you need one we'll have to see about putting in an order.

Jim

What was the name and address you guys wanted me to send the T-shirt to? We have 2 large and 1 medium left, I figured I'd send a large but I've lost the address.

Jim

OK That is one, Rick helped me with it. Had to send a large and there is one large and one medium left. I'll bring those to Townsend. Package should arrive on Thursday.

Jim

Any plans for new shirts?

Bill:

What is the schedule of events for the car so far--- when does it need to be where this year, at least for the next 2-3 months?  

Thx.

M

O-kay.  

I've seen No response to the LAST question.  

How about THIS one:

Any interest in the Roadmaster making it to the BMTA conference?

M

Didn't even know about BMTA but it seems like our sponsors would want the car there,

Jim

Sorry guys, nothing on the schedule right now. I apologize for not keeping up on this forum, been pretty busy moving and traveling for the last month. Max and all, please e-mail me directly with any ideas or plans if you would please, I check that at least daily if not more often.  mgmidgetbill@gmail.com

Hey Bill:

Here's a fundraising Idea!    M
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5-7-13 current location Winston-Salem, NC until delivery to Dan in WV on Monday 5-13-13.

Just for the record, since there is no record of it in this thread, the MG Roadmaster did make an appearance at the BMTA conference in Richmond, Va thanks to Max Fulton.

Went out for some more visiting today between the rain storms.  The cop stopped by to see the car, I was not racing through Jonestown NC.

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Students in Boone, NC had a good look at RM as did Jack Austin aka Twig.  Moor pics soon.
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PJ:

Glad you took it back to Jack's!    Did he like it?  Did you give him a chance to drive it?  :-)

M

Max,
Jack (aka twig) was full of praise about RM and he did drive around the route 221 section near Grandfather mountain, a fine piece of road for a sports car.

Jack's friend is the connection at the High School.  The kids liked the car, but not all of them knew what a carb was, only a few knew of the MG.  Most took photos and texted them.

The car is running very well.  Climbing from N Wilkesboro to the Blue Ridge Parkway did not require downshifting!  That's a long steep grade with two truck turn-out sand piles on the downhill lane.
PJ

Roadmaster draws a crowd at a local cruise-in
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West Virginia Britsh Car Club Spring Drive to Hawks Nest
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Man. I wish I'd been there!

Guys, this is a run you should go to a lot of trouble to make. The route they ran hit some of my all time favorite roads anywhere, and you can include the Dragon in that lineup. Up Gauley Mountain to Hawk's nest is without a doubt one of the best roads suited for high powered sports cars that you will find anywhere. 2 and 3 lanes of a major pre-Interstate national highway going through some of the tightest kiss your ass turns a semi could possibly negotiate, I learned to drive drifting from one curve to the next down that mountain. Over the hill and into Fayetteville for lunch just continues the fun, and back out Rt. 16 is a great mountain road with a built in slalom course. Overall that loop is an incredible driving experience, and when you have time to look at the scenery it just gets better.

The WVBCC has made this an annual event and is very likely to repeat in the fall. Once Dan has put it on the schedule, believe me, you do not want to miss it. I fully expect to be there at the next run, and with my roadster. It stirs the blood just thinking about it!

I could hear the grin over the phone. That is a perfect road for the MG-Roadmaster and I can't help but envy Dan just a little getting to toy with the field in that car the way he undoubtedly did yesterday. You see, I know that road. I know just how he took the corners, and I know just where he nearly broke the rear end loose going up the hill because it's just about the way I'd have done it, and above all else it is just an incredibly FUN road to drive! Without a doubt one of the best anywhere.

Jim

I'll try to drive up for your next club event on those roads, sounds too good to miss.  In my younger years I did a few rafting trip on the Gauley in Sept.  
Dan glad you had a fun drive!
PJ

PJ, in my younger years I guided those rafting trips. Who knows, we may easily have been on the river together.

Jim

probably did if you guided for ACE

I *thought* you looked familiar.

Jim

Are there any plans for RM once the repairs are completed?

October 16-19 is the Buick GS Nationals in Bowling Green, KY. We should try to make it there if we can.

Jim

RM would be a big hit at the Conch Republic independence day parade on Duval St in Key west



Key West British Car Club held it's annual club meeting on April
22 at the Admiral's house.  After reports on membership and finances
officers were elected for the next year.  Those elected were:
Admiral --  Fred Skomp
Vice Admiral --  Brian Hoffman
Chancellor of the Exchequer -- Cindy Skomp
Scribe --  Tommie Camblin
The club is pleased to have Brian on the team as he has a house in
the Keys and will be able to closely coordinate the club activities
with the Admiral. Information on future events will be distributed
when appropriate.

Concerted efforts need to be made .in 2014 to get the car to Kansas City...then on to Colorado for the V8 meet....then out to the Left Coast...

That'd be fine, but first we need to work on it some. It needs spacers under the rear subframe bushings, the new steering column needs installed, the gages need sorted out, and I think there's a list if small items that need to be taken car of such as the driver's door lock and the window adjustments. Some of you guys need to get together on when would be a good time to do that stuff.

Jim

How about a work weekend after Christmas?

That can work, just about whenever you guys can get together. Just let me know when.

Jim

This year's Hot Rod Power Tour starts in Charlotte, goes to Knoxville, then Charleston WV, Norwalk, Ohio, Crown Point, Indiana, Bettendorf, Iowa and ends up at the Wisconsin Dells.  That looks to me like British V8 country!

I'm only 90 miles from CLT, be thrilled to participate in the tour

Also re getting RM to CO I might be able to drive it west and fly home.  Anyone out there want to host RM.

When does it start?

If I am able to attend Bill Young's service, would it be a good time to drive RM out to KS?

Depends on when the service is, and how long it take to tune the timing map. I expect all afternoon today to be needed for sorting out the wiring.

Jim

Bill's service is scheduled to be sometime in April. Jenny has yet to name a date.

Oh well, we should be able to manage that.

Jim

I will save the date in May to shuttle RM from KY to MO if you guys want me to .
I plan to fly out to the event if someone else wants to drive RM.
As someone else said, Carl I think, it's only fitting that RM should be present for the memorial service.
Jus tlet me know if I should plan to drive or fly.

Not sure if I said it out loud, but I sure was thinking it would be an awesome tribute & sendoff.

The memorial service has been scheduled for May 17th.

Are there any members/contributors who might like to host RM in GA or FL before mid May when the car needs to be in MO?

Im thinking about attending the Key West event April 22, 2014 and could drive RM one way.  This is just a suggestion not intended to offend anyone.




RM would be a big hit at the Conch Republic independence day parade on Duval St in Key west



Key West British Car Club held it's annual club meeting on April
22 at the Admiral's house.
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I swapped out the decals in the rear quarter windows and complied with Steve's recommendation that we remove the line of text describing the engine as 500hp/500tq by trimming that line out with an xacto knife.

Jim

Still looking for suggestions from anyone wanting to host RM

Any chance we could route the car through Redford, MI?

Dave Craddock has a hood for it that he's waiting on a sketch and paint codes for.

Jim

OK guys, the car is all checked out and ready to go back on the road. So you need to figure out where it goes next but it can't just sit here.

Mechanically it is probably about as near perfect as it will ever be. Cosmetically there will always be room for improvement but it's very good. Electrically, well, what can I say? It still has wonky gages and bullet connectors bit it's otherwise solid. Drives real nice and I think it will be very reliable. A very pleasant car.

Somebody needs to come and get it.

And I don't foresee any reason why it should ever need to come back here. The conversion and the build is done.

Jim

* Fine Print----------THE END!

No Kelley, the car just needs to be out in the public eye and it isn't doing that sitting in my garage.

Jim

Not what I meant; with all the engineering, work and untold time you contributed, the car should move to next phase and be maintained by the entire group. Thanks for your contributions.

I appreciate it Kelley.

Warm weather is back and it's time to go for visibility again.
I know PJ is willing to drive it out to Kansas, maybe that is the next step.
If nothing happens before MG2014 I can hand it off there, but it really should go somewhere else first.

I don't mind driving it. Heck, for the first time ever it is sitting in my primary garage and the truck is out under the awning. I enjoy driving it and I'll enjoy it until it leaves here. Until then it will be my daily driver. Finally at last, I feel it is dependable and comfortable enough for that and the remaining issues are minor enough to not really bother me.

But we didn't build it so that I could drive it out and about Florence, KY. Some of that is fine, but it needs to be widely seen. Plus I need the incentive to finish my own car and I'm not so sure that will be there as long as I can just go out and hop in the Roadmaster.

Jim

I can come out and deliver it to the next in line.  Who's next?
I do think RM should be present for the service for a friend the Lumberjack.

Jim thank you for all you skill, dedication, and hard work!
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Thank you PJ.
I agree, the car should be at Bill's ceremony.
It's ready to roll. Just finished the log book entries this morning. And btw, did I mention the MJ totally transforms the car's behavior? You're gonna like it.

Jim

The car sure draws a lot of attention, and of just the type we want. Seems like almost every time I stop there's a nice young fella or two asking if they can take a picture. It means taking a little time out of your busy day but I think it's worthwhile to pursue our goals of encouraging creativity in the young.

But I also think it is wise to have a "spiel" worked out ahead of time that is easily run through by rote. Towards that end I'd like to suggest a few key points you can work into your short presentation. Just a few lines can do it and with a couple of repetitions it's the easiest way.

- 1971 MGB-GT with 455 big block Buick V8
- Built and owned by a charity to encourage creativity in youth
- Has been on tour over 2 years, took 5 years to build.
- Members are nationwide and in other countries

Then add whatever else seems relevant to you. But if you get no more out than the first two lines we've achieved our objectives.

Jim

1968 MGB/GT

Any members want to be on the list for hosting the RM this year??

As far as I know, the next firm schedule date is to take Roadmaster to Bill Young's memorial service on May 17th in Kansas City.  Is that correct?

Could somebody please have a memorial sticker made up for the car, something to the effect of "In Memory of Bill Young, Contributor and Former President" ?

Somehow we inadvertently left his name off the Contributor's list in the back window so we need something before it goes out to his Memorial Service.

Jim

I have just found out about a family event that requires my presence in Winston-Salem, NC Sunday morning May 18, 2014.  That is the day after Bill Young's Memorial service.  This is late notice, I know, but I just wanted everyone to know as we want the Roadmaster to be there for the service and I was planning to pick the car up from Jim and deliver it to Kansas.  I can still make good on my offer if I do it a few days earlier than previously scheduled.  I must get to the airport in time to be home Sat. 5-17-14.

If anyone else wants to drive RM from Jim's  to Overland, KS please speak up.

I'm sorry about this, But some family activities must be higher priority.
PJ

I'm trying to set in place plans to drive RM From KY to MO on Mon 5/12 and Tues. 5/13.

If this all works out I would like to attend  the St Louis MG club meeting May 12 and show everyone the RM

PJ, the 12th looks good and if you would like to stay overnight and get an early start, we have a very nice guest suite downstairs. The new exhaust gaskets are now on the car and it is much quieter.

Jim

That would be great to stay over, but I plan to arrive on Sunday the 11th and depart early Monday the 12th.  I plan to show RM at the St Louis MG club meeting Monday evening then stay with John Mangles that night.  On Tues. May 13th I will drive to Overland, KS and deliver the car to Bill Davidson.

Bill is talking about bringing the Roadmaster to French Lick (IN) for MG2014...then back to Kansas City....then out to the V8 meet.

We need someone to take her reigns in Colorado as she begins the journey west.

Who wants RM after the Meet in Colorado Springs?

I plan to fly to Colorado Springs, and might be able to drive RM to the next member, how about it Bill Guzman?

I'd love to see RM in French Lick also.

I regret to tell you guys say I am unable to fulfill my obligation to drive roadmaster from Ky to Overland Ks.  I hope someone else can fill-in.
The wedding planning for that same weekend prevents me from being able to go.

I'm sorry for having to be a slacker on this one but I've got to be here to help with the logistics of our daughters wedding.

I should be able to help most any other time this year!

Attached is a photo of Dr. Emily Penney who will be wed the weekend of May 17, 2014
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Congratulations! Best wishes to the happy couple

I sure hope someone will be able to drive the Roadmaster BGT to Bill Young's service.  I will contribute $100.00 toward the fuel costs.

Jim and Steve are planning on delivering the Roadmaster to me on Thursday.
 
Mike Maloney is driving in from Ohio and will meet me on Friday morning; we will caravan (with Mike in his Beemer) to Kansas City on Friday, overnighting at the Quality Inn in Merriam, KS which was one of the recommended hotels.
 
We will attend the gathering at Bill Davidson's house Saturday afternoon. We've not decided if we will stay in Merriam Saturday evening or not...depends on what transpires that afternoon.
 
I plan on leaving the Roadmaster with Bill Davidson....Mike will chauffeur me back to Saint Joseph. The car may have a fighting chance of getting to BritishV8 2014 and then further West now!!!!
 
I think the planets are finally aligned.
 
rick

Thanks go out to Jim, Steve, Rick & Mike for getting the RM out to KS for Bill Youngs memorial service.

Okay, I'll ask...

Rick/MIke--

DID YOU MAKE IT?

Friends of Roadmaster want to know.  :-)

M

Max, they made it.

http://www.mgexp.com/phorum/read.php?40,2639921

He did

details from Facebook &    http://www.mgexp.com/phorum/read.php?40,2639921

" Roadmaster performed flawlessly today. Arrived in Kansas City for Bill Young's memorial in good shape....even in Friday night rush hour traffic. Travelled with Mike Maloney (The Arkleyologist) and his BMW Z3 Coupe.

We took US 36 across Missouri...much nicer drive than I-70. Rainy day....my view through the windscreen didn't change much."

Would love to hear about the memorial service anyone want to post some details

The Roadmaster was waiting for me in my drive when I got home from work on Thursday.

I checked the pressure in the tyres and checked the oil (added a quart), then waited for Friday to arrive.

Mike Maloney got here about 9:30am on Friday morning, and we headed to Overland Park, Kansas; me in the Roadmaster and Mike in his 2001 BMX Z2 coupe.

We took I-74 to I-57 to I-72 to US36 to I-35 to Overland Park. About 420 mile (a 6-1/2 ride). I rained on us most of the way, but the trip was not miserable.

We caught the attention of a Missouri State Trooper about an hour west of Hannibal. My radar detector went off and a millisecond later his overheads came on and he did a quick u-turn to follow us. He followed us for a while with the overhead on, but never came right up behind us..and took an exit ramp. We were only doing about 74mph....so he either wanted to slow us down to the 70mph limit, wanted to see the car, had another call, or was just being a prick. Take your choice.

The Roadmaster ran flawlessly the entire trip to Overland Park. Mike and I visited a repair/restoration shoppe owned by a young (34) man named Matt Pluff where we saw several projects underway (a 1936 Chevrolet coupe, two '70s Buick Riviera, two 1966 Mustangs (a 6-cylinder coupe and a V8 Fastback), a Ford Falcon, an early Midget (which was Matt's wife's car and will be receiving a V6 conversion). Outside the shoppe were several other cars including, but not limited to, an MGB LE, a Midget, an Arkley, and a Jeep CJ. Matt had heard about the Roadmaster and was very impressed, especially after I let him take it out for a drive.

We made it over to Bill Davidson's house about noon and staged the Roadmaster in his drive. Bill'sV6 powered MGB/GT was also there along with a "Faux-rarri" owned by Don Boner (an MGB with V6 power and bodywork that made it look like a small Ferarri).

It was not too long before members of the local British Car Club arrived in MGs, Triumphs, and daily drivers. (Merv Hagen drove in from Chicago in his Corvette). About fifty folks were in attendance and enjoyed food, potables, and shared stories about Bill "The Lumberjack" Young. It was a great day.

I left the Roadmaster in the very capable hands of Bill Davidson; Mike and I headed for home about 4pm (and arrived safely about 10:30pm).

So that, in a nutshell, is a recap of my drive and the memorial gathering.

Just wondering if RM has been on display this Memorial Day weekend?

Are there any plans to arrange a special parking place at French Lick?

I did write to Drive Away Cancer but so far no reply.

https://www.facebook.com/driveawaycancernow

I spoke to John, he is currently on the road in Grace, and we plan to meet in NC next week to discuss the possibility of RM participation in  Drive away cancer .

Grace, the Healy John has been driving over a 100,000 miles per year is currently in TX with a failed generator.
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http://driveawaycancernow.org
 will provide a full report of our meeting.  John understands that we are seeking info now and will discuss this at the next BADASS meeting in Colorado Springs.  I'm sure we can also talk it up in French Lick also.  He and Grace, the Healy he's been driving a 100,000 miles per year are back on the road again.  He called from near Dallas, TX where his generator failed again.

PJ, I have some contacts in the Dallas MG club.  If John could use some local connections, PM me and I'll reach out to him.  I'd bet the folks there could likely help with garage space to work on it and likely someone has contacts at an alternator rebuild shop if not able to source one locally on quick order.

when is RM scheduled to arrive in French Lick?

It is here in French lick

I believe I'm sort of expected to make a report so here's the latest:

B.A.D.A.S.S. Treasurer Bill Davidson, acting as interim President pro-tem called an emergency meeting which, given that there was a quorum of members present at the event was both timely and proper.

The first order of business was to elect new officers. After due discussion, Pete Mantell was elected President and assumed control of the meeting. No VP was elected. Bill will continue as Treasurer and Graham as Secretary where they will continue their duties in their customary manner.

Because there has been no support for the program to send the car westward the advisability of trailering it to Colorado was brought into question. (If Bill takes it he will not be able to drive it for personal reasons, meaning he will not be able to drive his V6 conversion either.) Because we have no member ready and able to accept custody of the car, the risk is just too high that Bill will then have to trailer it back to Kansas City and the burden of that two way trip is more than we could justify asking him to take on.

Compounding the difficulty is the fact that we also have no member stepping forward to take custody of the car at any point westward of Colorado. Because of this, and because interest in the car began to wane just about at the point when we painted it and has continued to do so ever since, we agreed unanimously that the time has come to offer it for sale.

A motion was made, seconded, discussed at length, amended, and passed with the following provisions. The car is now available for sale to any qualified purchaser, as-is, where-is. The price, which takes into account the uniqueness of the car, the many custom elements, the current condition, and other considerations including its provenance and the unique manner in which it was built, is $35,000 This is estimated to be less than 1/4 of the cost to build including parts, materials, cash donations and time invested but is hoped to result in a ready sale as well a pretty good investment opportunity. (Other cars such as the Berlin GT having sold for much higher amounts.)

Upon sale the proceeds will be placed in a Municipal Trust Fund and the interest from that fund will be disbursed annually to provide support for the annual BritishV8 meet and the BritishV8 Newsletter, in proportions of 75 and 25% respectively. Won't be a great deal of money but it will be dependable and perpetual.

In the meantime the car can continue to appear at events, and if it has not sold by the onset of cold weather Pete has agreed to store it for the winter (unless we send it south). The door has not completely closed on any chance of a western tour, but without a unified plan of support it is not likely to happen, particularly as there are quite a number of events in the east where it can appear, including the GS Nationals at Bowling Green, whose participants helped build the car by providing the engine and other components.

In closing I would like to say that it has been a privilege and a pleasure to have been involved with the people who brought this project to fruition. What started as a joke, morphed into a plan just to prove this conversion could be done, and ultimately resulted in an historical example of LBC car conversion art has in the process brought us all closer together as a family, as it was intended to do. For that I want to thank you all.

Jim Blackwood, former "BADASS Boss"

Thanks Jim a clear concise description of the meeting, and most of the members were sober, the partying was a little later.

The Roadmaster will be at BritishV8 2015 this week (July 15-18, 2015). PJ Lenihan will take over as caretaker of the car and will campaign it on the east coast.

The Roadmaster has been under my care since early last fall.

I have taken it to several local Street Rod events, as well as the Champagne British Car Festival. The car continues to draw a crowd.

As much fun as this car is....I look forward to passing it off to PJ and gaining a bay back in my garage.  <grin>

Let us also recognize Ken Nicks, Ken has agreed to shelter the RM in his excellent restoration shop in Jonesville, NC.
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Eclectic Rods & Restorations
Auto Body Shop · Automotive Repair · Automotive Consultant

Like it on Facebook and say hello to Ken in Indy.
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I will see to it that RM visits some auto tech schools, a few local shows, and the Hilton Head event in Oct. 2015.  If anyone has other suggestions or wants to host the RM just contact me.
PJ Lenihan
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The Roadmaster has arrived!


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We're having a great time in Indy at the British V8 meet

Roadmaster is now stored in Ken Nicks shop in Jonesville, NC.
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....and has been registered for an upcoming event at Hilton Head.

Hilton Head registration is completed, We will be there 10-30 through 11-1-2015.

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PJ, you making us drool!. thanks for your efforts.  See you in May at Townsend

I've showed the RM several places locally in the last week.  when I get some photos resized I'll post a few from a arts festival showing and an all european car club where I gave a presentation about the car and the trip to Hilton Head.  Toady is another beautiful Fall day so I'll drive the RM to get a few more Moss Motoring points then have dinner in GSO
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A couple of possible events for 2016:

Amelia Island  ?March 2016?

Key West LBC parade April 2016

TCOC Gathering Dobson, NCApril 2016

Please make suggestions that meet the mission of RM

If I'm still hosting the car I'll drive it to these three events, anyone south of NC can let me know if you want me t0 schedule a stop in your area for a test drive.

We need a BADASS volunteer to drive the Roadster to the British V8 meet in Townsend, TN in May 2016; I have a schedule conflict and will be absent this year.  If any of the BADASS members from the west coast or other far away places want to fly to Charlotte (an American Airlines Hub)  I can arrange for you to pick up the car to drive it to TN.  It's only a couple hours from the airport.
We also need a volunteer BADASS to drive the RM to Louisville.KY for MG 2016 in June.  you can get really cheap airline tickets if purchased months in advance.

Happy New Year and let me know if you'd like to see/drive the RM.
My bonus daughter  (aka step-daughter) enjoyed a spirited drive through the twisty back roads of Yadkin county, while here for Christmas.  She drove RM like she stole it.  see photo.
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Jim Watson and I have agreed to take the Roadmaster to the Street Rod show in Knoxville May 6, the V8 meet May 8-11, the local British/European car show May 13-14, and then to MG 2016 in June. We'll pick it up in NC, and hand it off in Louisville for the next leg.

We'll probably pick it up in late March or early April and tend to some of the needed maintainence.

If that's agreeable to every one.

Sounds good to me!

there will be a Roadmaster work party Monday Jan. 11, 2016 in Jonesville, NC at Ken Nick's shop:  Eclectic Rods and Restorations  134 Bluff St.

We hope to fix:  fuel gauge and the heater valve leak

and several other niggly things if time allows:  courtesy lights, rattles, leaks, holes in floors & "trunk" area,

Ya'll come  PJ


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RM jobs done Jan.-11-2016

Used black roof flashing caulk to seal holes underneath. This should help keep water out temporarily. We are beginning to see a rust bubbles on the rockers near the back of the doors.
Welded exhaust it no longer leaks or rattles
Fixed fuel leak at carb fitting
Adjusted headlights
Tightened alternator belt
Fixed windscreen washer ;  it is our opinion that the windshield should be replaced PJ can get this done for about $350 in Winston-Salem poor visibility driving into the sunset or the sunrise.
Recently new rear tires oil changed and lubed diff  & tranny oil ok
Claybar cleaned waxed and polished carpets cleaned vinyl seats cleaned   Added 2 USB ports on portable cigar lighter adapter
An old semi-smart phone was donated   it has an eclectic mix of music and you can text or email if you're in Wi-Fi
A big thank you to all of the following: Carl Floyd, Ken Nicks, Patricia Nicks, Clyde Hollar, Lance Harrington, Danny Jacob. And anybody else I might have forgotten.


A good time was had by all.



Submitted by your somewhat dyslexic scribe



the director of transportation for badass



also known as RoadMeister

PJ
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Dan & Jim, here are a few things we did not complete yesterday:

Rm to do list as of January 12, 2016

Carl thinks we would need to pull the dashboard to fix some of the following:
Heater defroster control cables
Power to the fan for heat and defrost
Gauges (parts and a new capacitor are in the car)
Install the steering column (it is in the car)
 map light or courtesy light located near the radio
Installing under the dash radio antenna
Not related to the work in or near the dashboard but the other big job is to replace the cooling system overflow tank with a smaller one fabricated by jim Blackwood in order to fit the new bonnet.

I'd be happy to do the work on the tank if you guys will mark it up and send it to me. Might even anodize it.

Jim

OK Jim will do, I'm going to try to twist Carl's arm and get him to drive over to NC again in Feb.

BTW do you like Cuban cigars, I'll get you one, we r going there next week

RM performed fine sans coolant overflow tank these last few s as I drove from Jonesville, NC thru Winston-Salem then to Danville, VA and on to Moss in Petersburg, VA.  Just missed a tornado in Waverly, VA on my way to Zuni, VA and finally to Yorktown, VA.  Today I'm visiting a former HS teacher I haven't seen in 50 years.

PJ

It may continue to do so if we are fortunate, due to the large radiator. However, the high spot in the coolant system is the top end of the engine so any air in the system will accumulate there. This is OK as long as three things remain constant:

1) the flow from the water pump is sufficient to push most of the air into the radiator on start-up and;

2) the heat output from the cylinders does not exceed the heads' ability to transfer that heat across any bubbles to the surrounding coolant.

3) you maintain the coolant system in as close to full condition as possible.

Even so we may be developing hot spots above the combustion chambers and that would not be good for valve life.

Please don't let anyone push the engine hard until we get the surge tank reinstalled. We could end up with warped heads. The damage could be done long before the engine shows signs of overheating because it is a local effect. I hope to have the tank done within about a week, I'm waiting for some sheet metal that should be here in the next day or two, then I need to form a piece for the tunnel in the bottom (clearance for AC hoses) weld that in, weld the new top on, polish, anodize, leak check and seal. Then it will take a few days for shipping. So a 2 week estimate should be reasonable at this point. I have already removed and relocated all of the fittings, cut down the tank, cut a tunnel in the bottom, formed and welded a new top and smoothed the welds, and welded on the filler neck. About half of the work is done. The tank will be about 1-1/2" shorter and have maybe a half gallon capacity estimated. If the volume is not adequate we can add an overflow bottle, but I think it should be OK.

I added another 1/8" port for the 2nd vent line that was "T"d into the drain fitting, it will now be separate and can run along the fender lip. Put the heater and one vent fittings on the side of the tank for more direct routing of hoses. Also the chromed hexagonal cap was a casualty I'm afraid. I have a standard octagonal one I can send back with it though, or if anyone knows where to get a chromed octagon cap that'd be pretty cool.

Jim

Jim,
RM never overheated, I did add a little coolant almost every time I stopped  
 as it would expel a little onto the ground.

 And I watch it temp gauge like a hawk.  The single largest discharge of coolant was one time when the car was parked with the nose slightly lower than the rear.  That was from backing in at a motel.  Next morning it took 2 qts.

Highest temp was 200 in some city traffic in a construction zone.  I stopped and added a Qt or so.

1290 miles and a total of 2 gals total.  99% of the time the temp gauge set on 185-190.

cooling fans working as they should.

It was a good road trip and the gas milage and gas prices were favorable.

RM will be parked for the next couple of weeks.  The we'll install the tank.  You can mail it to me at 715 Jersey Ave, Winston-Salem, NC  27101


PJ

PJ, the tank is assembled. Still requires buffing, anodize and sealing.

Jim

pm Best to send it to Ken's shop:

Ken Nicks,
Eclectic Rods & Restorations
134 Bluff st
Jonesville, nc  28642

Ill be out of town for the next 2 weeks, the work party will be at Ken's on Monday March 21, 2016

Now we need a consensus on prioritizing the tasks to do

Number 1 is the surge tank

#2   ?? pull the dash fix gauges, heat defrost, steering column???

let me know

PJ

Just a reminder we will have a work session in Jonesville, NC for RM in two weeks

Sent from southern Oregon, having some grandson fun

coming up soon

10 am Monday 3-21-16 a Roadmaster MG work session

134 Bluff st Jonesville, NC

  Ken Nicks shop  Eclectic Rods & Restorations

hope to see you there

surge tank recently redesigned by Jim Blackwood, is now back in the RM.
just a few of the tasks completed at Ken's this winter:

exhaust leaks welded

tires, battery replaced

all fluids checked and or changed, lubed

Coolant temp steady at 190 F at idle or at 75 MPH no rise in temp in stop & go after a 45 minute high speed drive ambient temp 54F.

So what is the schedule? I know Dan Masters and Jim Watson are going to be picking up the car soon and it should be at Townsend, then they are taking it to Louisville for MG 2016 right? Then what? Where does it go after that?

I asked to take the car at that point but nobody ever responded.

Look, I know there is a big push to sell it. Maybe some of you guys have come up with a buyer. I know Steve DeGroat had an offer several years ago for around $15K. But please keep in mind that Tony Gentile just invested $42,500 in Greg Beishir's car. If it sells this cheap, I would not be surprised to see it on BAT or Ebay a week later for 3 or 4 times the money. This car would probably do well at the Barrett Jackson auction because it has a history.

But that's not the question, just a mindful caution. Every time you get in a hurry it costs you. What I'd really like to know is, what is the touring schedule for the summer? Should I make plans for garage space or not? I intend to reorganize the Lab and it would really help to know.

Jim

QuoteSo what is the schedule? I know Dan Masters and Jim Watson are going to be picking up the car soon and it should be at Townsend, then they are taking it to Louisville for MG 2016 right? Then what? Where does it go after that?  

Jim and I are picking it up on the 16th. We will take it to the Street Rod show in Knoxville may 6, then to the V8 meet May 8-11, and then to the local Car Gathering may 13-15. After that, Jim will be driving it to Louisville for MG2016 and leaving it there for the next person. While i't's here, we'll be taking to the local Friday night Cruise-ins.

I don't know what happens after that, but if you want it at that time then it's a settled matter as far as I am concerned - you should have it.

The Roadmaster really needs to be in Louisville for the entirety of MG2016 to give it exposure to as many enthusiasts as possible.

Let's talk about this.

Makes sense to me.

I was really only planning to go down on the 16th but I'm only an hour and a half away so it's no big deal.

Jim

Jim and Dan successfully drove RM from the car show in Dobson, NC to TN yesterday, April 16, 2016.
You guys let me know if I can help with any one way shuttle trips.
Brenda & I are fortunate that even after the merger/aquizition of USAir and American we still have stand priviledges.
So I am willing to help with transporting RM when my schedule and the weather are in favorable sync.


I hope siri and auto correct get the grammar & spelling all sorted

Thank you, PJ!

The car is home in Maryville. We topped up the tank shortly after leaving the show and topped up again after 109 miles with 4.5 gallons. That was all interstate driving at a steady 65 mph following a Toyota on cruise control. That's 24.2 mpg if anyone is counting..

After I got off the interstate headed for home, I got a little, how should I say - exuberant? and ran into the fuel pump starvation problem PJ talked about. The new fuel pump should solve that.

The steering problem MUST be solved, once we find out what the real problem is. Jim and I are certain it's not the steering column, but we'll report back when we learn more.

The car does get attention!

On the 6th, the RM will go to the National Street Rod show in Knoxville. On the 8th through the 11th it will be at the V8 meet, and on the 14th, it will be at the local British Car Gathering, both in Townsend.

re: On the 6th, the RM will go to the National Street Rod show in Knoxville. On the 8th through the 11th it will be at the V8 meet, and on the 14th, it will be at the local British Car Gathering, both in Townsend.


Who is bringing the car to Louisville?

I hope it will be there for the entire event (June 13th-16th)

As it stands right now, Jim Watson will be taking it to Louisville. It is my understanding that Jim Blackwood will take it from there, but that's not confirmed as far as I know.

At the Street Rod Nationals in Knoxville today.
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Is that "The Potato" beside "the Roadmaster?  I like Russett.

QuoteIs that "The Potato" beside "the Roadmaster? I like Russett.

It is indeed.

PO-TA-TO

Reminds me I was supposed to get another decal.

I just got back from the Buick GS Nationals in Bowling Green, KY. We went down yesterday evening (Friday) and checked into the host motel (Red Roof Inn) at about 8:00 local and the MG-Roadmaster was instantly mobbed, an occurrence that continued for the duration every time we parked it. They heard us rolling into the parking lot and had to know what was up, so we no sooner were out of the car than the hood was up and Matthew and I were answering questions as fast as we could field them, while Edith (piloting the "Buick Support Vehicle" Jeep Liberty) went and registered the room. This went on, with people coming and going up until we made our getaway pleading a need for food. Edith said it was like watching the crowd around a beautiful woman.

This morning we drove to the dragstrip (Beech Bend Raceway Park) and although the day's racing got rained out, for us it was more of the same. The car got all the attention. The Buick guys absolutely loved it. To a man they all recognized the "Star Wars" air cleaner, and would say things like, "...that can't be... is it?" followed by, NO WAY! Holy S***! I was expecting a V6 (or a small block). They universally approved of the quality of the conversion, were very curious about the ignition system, and wanted to know the details about the vehicle weight and how it handles.

A much larger proportion of them stood and read the graphics on the car than we've seen at any ot the other gatherings. Sometimes even in the rain. They were very welcoming and approving, most especially once they found out that a Buick engine had been a factory option for the car. (MGBGT-V8)

Guys, I think we could show up at this meet any year with a few BOPR converted cars and be right at home with this group. They were as friendly as anyone could ever hope for.

Now as for the car: It performed flawlessly on the trip down and back, some 375 miles or so, getting about 18-19 mpg. With me driving it that's pretty good. I noted a few fairly minor issues to address but not many. Overall the car is pleasant to drive, although it runs quieter about 70-75 mph than it does around 50-60. I'd say shakedown on the electric power steering and the new fuel delivery system is complete. The steering needs a second or so to initialize after starting the car before you go cutting the wheel, and the bypass regulator makes a strange little gurgling noise that I was hoping was just air but it hasn't gone away so I guess we are stuck with it. The tach has failed (OEM) and still registers but not anywhere near correctly so it should be replaced. Speedo needle bounces but is readable and accurate (a new stock MGB inner cable should fix that), Gas gage works fine but should not be run below 1/8 tank under any conditions. Temp stays rock steady on the "N", Oil pressure and voltage are well within range. Throttle is light, clutch is a little stiff, brakes are quite firm, shifter is light and positive but needs a double clutch to downshift into 3rd, Steering is light and positive with good isolation and suitable road feel. Seats are comfortable, seat belts are not, and the cowl vent, if left open driving in the rain will drip on your foot.

The handling is dead neutral but trailing throttle oversteer and a little squirreliness when hard on the brakes should be helped by adding a front swaybar. We have everything to do that except a pair of CB downlinks, it'd be nice to get that done before Townsend if somebody has those parts and could send them along.

I'd love to attach some photos. Unfortunately I was kept so busy answering questions that I didn't get any chance to take some. Next time maybe.

Jim

Great summary, Jim!

Went to the WVBCC picnic Saturday, Dan and I took a bunch of guys for a ride/drive around the park, all were suitably impressed. They seem pretty committed to taking part in the BritishV8 meet in Lewisburg next summer. Should make some really good guides.

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Jim. saw the XK8 Vert in previous pics.  all looked good.  Hope for great turnout in the meet next year.  Mathew coming to Townsend?

Frayed knot. He's in school.

Jim

Had the Roadmaster out running errands the last couple of days, now that the clutch slave is repaired and I must say that with the power steering and brake booster it is a pleasure to drive. At least for short trips. I have a spring ordered for the carb secondaries, not sure when it will get here but that should improve throttle response a little.

Sunday I plan to take it over to Filmore's again, the regular hot rodder's get together, and now that Matt is in the Northern Car Club at NKU will try to make any local import meets they have going on. I'll report back here when I do.

Jim

Filmore's is down to the die-hards but we still has fun. Met some low riders with mini-trucks who were pretty cool.

I'd be taking it to WV today on a scouting trip for the 2017 V8 meet but there is a growing vibration in the driveline somewhere that gets worse when I turn right. Don't want to chance getting stranded until I know the cause.

Jim

A bit cold, but Matt and I had the car out on a parts run. A young guy in a hot hatch was pulling up alongside to look, and a woman in a Rhino rolled down her window so she could get a photo with her phone.

Still draws a crowd.

Jim

MG 2017 San DEigo June, 2017??

Insomnia, PJ?

yup

Visit from PJ this past week leads me to ask:  to whom can I send payment to become a donating member of this elite group with the hope of one day getting some wheel time?

Rick Ingram would be able to get the moneys to the right person for you......( mowog1)( personal message )

Any more info on that Jaguar Racing Green MGB GT sitting next to you at the Street Rod Nationals in Knoxville?

Color, flairs, wheels, even hood louvers, all perfect. Love to have more info or a place to get it along with some more photos.

You must mean Dan Master's GT.

http://www.britishv8.org/MG/DanMasters.htm

Jaguar Racing Green?  Yeah, that is what I would tell everyone. Sounds so much better than saying "Toyota Prius Electric Green Mica".

YIKES ! ! ! !

That is just one perfect, beautiful ride ! ! ! ! ! !

Makes the "roadmaster" look like a foolish "ricer" doesn't it . . . ?

Ricer? "Race Inspired Cosmetic Enhancement"

So what exactly on the Roadmaster do you consider cosmetic/non-functional? Other than the paint. I'm sorry but I can't think of a thing.

Not to denigrate Dan's car, it is indeed a beauty. But when was the last time you saw a 7-1/2 liter Ricer?

Jim

Well . . .

Much as I'd love to point out that ridiculous air cleaner and the foolish decision to chop a hole in the hood to "feature" it rather than a bulge to hide that embarrassment, I won't.

I won't even mention that silly ricer inspired front air dam sett way to high to be of any real use and just serving as a cosmetic "just for show" cruise night mistake.

If you haven't come across a "ricer" capable of producing the horse power of an antique 300 ci engine and WITH the handling to match. Meaning functional ground effects rather than a paste on fiberglass fallacy up front., then you really need to visit You Tube for more than a look at you own ridiculous ride.

But I won't say any of this because I was taught to respect my elders in spite of their obvious dementia.


"Not to denigrate Dan's car, it is indeed a beauty."

My post was all about beauty though, and certainly not about antique engines.

That green MGB IS a truly beautiful, esthetically balanced work of ART. Difficult and thoughtful decisions were obviously made throughout the build to achieve that result. Note: no garish air cleaner or accompanying hole in the hood. It's a very successful design exercise, not a full sized four year old's vision of a Hot Wheels Toy. I'm afraid that your car, in the current nomenclature, "Just looks ASS !" in comparison.

This thread is overdue for some pictures... Here's a nice one:
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Thomas doesn't care for engines that project through the hood. With forward facing scoops. Roadmaster's "bug catchers" are downright subtle compared to what one might see on atop a 471. It's a hotrod thing. Nothing ricer about it. Closer to "<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasser_(car)">gasser</a>", maybe?  

And Thomas particularly doesn't care for the 1967 Buick "Star Wars" air cleaner. Fair enough. Taste is subjective. But that particular air cleaner announces "Big Block Buick" from fifty yards away. Even with the bonnet closed. Which makes an especially interesting statement in the context of a muscle car and hotrod show. Roadmaster is one of VERY few MGs that can consistently draw a crowd in those fields and parking lots. The Roadmaster concept largely started on a Buick muscle car message board. Roadmaster celebrates a special but little known association between these constituencies. Not Chevy, not Ford, not Mopar, and most certainly not ricer... Buick.

Yes, you can get more power from a smaller, more modern engine. So what?

Unlike Thomas, apparently, I've actually driven Roadmaster. It's a hoot! Effortless because of its massive torque. Wonderful bass growl. But since the tune is mild, its engine has no bad behaviors. (Starts easy. Idles smooth.) Did I mention that it sounds glorious?

"Yes, you can get more power from a smaller, more modern engine. So what?"

You misread my intent, I never mentioned power and the displacement of that silly thing, SO not even close to the Gasser-Style, more like bolting a butterfly-style scoop directly onto your hood.

I was strictly speaking esthetics here, AND above and that car is sadly missing . . .

Compared to that beautiful green MGB, the maroon one is an absurd parody of what a performance car could be.

I'm sure that the crowds gather for the WTF factor and leave with "Thank GOD that's not mine." on their lips.

Limited performance of that engine aside, thats' a  silly little boy's ride . . .  !

Agree to disagree is always the best option. I'm done posting on this one, you all too?

Curtis, TC is just a troll.  Don't feed him.  He obviously has no knowledge of the RM project at all.

He must be having a bad week. Didn't get to go to 2017BritishV8, and Lord knows what other problems he has. Maybe some purist got on him for putting a Mustang engine in an MGA.

But that's no excuse for rudeness, especially when clueless about the ownership, build, intent, and purpose of an automobile. Last time I looked the RM had over 50 owners, so way to go in managing to offend that many people all in one shot. Not something I'd want to do, but then I usually try to avoid being that offensive.

Jim

The front air dam is functional. It is good for at the very least, 30-50mph on the top end before the steering starts to get light, I don't know of anyone who has tested it's limits, but an MGB without it will start to lift by 100-120mph. It also protects the radiator. It is and has been a commonly used accessory from early MGB production.

The hole in the hood is functional. It lets out radiator exhaust and helps the engine stay at "N" on the gage at all times. It also gives clearance for the air cleaner. To the best of my knowledge there is one, and only one way that a stock hood could close over that engine, and that would require the fabrication of a custom intake and EFI. Quite a challenge, and a good bit beyond both the intent and the capabilities of B.A.D.A.S.S. at the time the car was built.

As Curtis said, the Iconic "Star Wars" air cleaner was chosen, at least partly to notify the Buick faithful that this was one of theirs. Note: The original MGBGT-V8 had a Buick engine so there was heritage to be considered, and indeed heritage was was the Raison d'être which brought the car into existence. The thought being stated at the time as, "It can be done, so it MUST be done." and that the smallest Buick V8 ever mass produced was used by the MGB Factory at Abingdon with the intent being to close the circle by building a car with the largest Buick V8 ever mass produced. This is pure and undistilled American Hot-Rodding to the very core.

Admittedly there was some cosmetic intent in those build decisions. But that may be said of anything not produced for purely utilitarian purposes, and I rue the day that mindset takes over all automotive design. And when you look at Design you will notice that there are definite National, cultural and regional influences that will usually be visible in the design itself. Such is certainly the case in American, British, European, and Oriental styling, with the term Ricer usually being the exclusive province of the Oriental school of design. Nothing on this car, perhaps with the exception of the HID headlights which show some European influence, deviates from either the British or the American school. So the Ricer comment is not just inapplicable but completely irrelevant.

Finally, I understand many feel these recent posts are an affront to the originator of this thread and staunch supporter of the Roadmaster project, the much loved and all too recently departed Bill Young, may he ever rest in peace, and enjoy a rousing ride in the afterlife. Please, let's try to be a little more considerate of our Brothers here, and take the negativity to another thread or another site. Thank you all.

Jim

That seems sorted, back to our regularly scheduled program then.
The RM just came back from our annual BritishV8 meet, which this year was held in Lewisburg W.Va. where as usual it accounted for itself well and raised funds to continue operations as well as complete the A/C upgrade. I'll be posting a more detailed report in the Roadmaster build thread as that is our usual venue for B.A.D.A.S.S. meeting reports. Of particular note however was that with the able abilities of Max and several others we discovered that we can dramatically improve the power output simply by modifying the air cleaner housing to allow more air to get in. The difference in performance with the air cleaner on and with it removed was remarkable to say the least. That's pretty exciting news to all of us who were a bit underwhelmed with past dyno results.

The car is now scheduled and funded for completion of the A/C system, which will be done over the coming weeks. Some fine tuning of the ignition system as well, and new plug wires are in the works. It will also be getting an oil change reasonably soon, and we are contemplating the installation of a smaller brake master cylinder to give better access to the spark plugs and oil dipstick.

The GCBCC (Cincinnati) meet is coming up on the 9th of next month I believe and we'll try to get the car there. The Dayton meet is coming up soon as well and if someone would be so kind as to post the date that would help. That's a big show and we should do our best to attend.

Jim

TC (Thomas Canty),

Is this really the same person as TeamEvil? Why the new handle & negative attitude?  Please keep it  civil or your posts will be deleted.

"That seems sorted, back to our regularly scheduled program then. "

It certainly is, now be sure to let Carl in on the memo . . .

Sorted how?  Your last post was still quite derogatory.

Quotethe maroon one is an absurd parody of what a performance car could be.

I'm sure that the crowds gather for the WTF factor and leave with "Thank GOD that's not mine." on their lips.

This thread just needs more photos...  
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"Sorted how? Your last post was still quite derogatory."

Jim agrees that it's now al sorted out. Bygones and all that.

The last line of my previous post read, "Agree to disagree is always the best option. I'm done posting on this one, you all too?" Yet you continue to bait the situation.

It's all over Carl, give it a rest. We're all just sitting back and enjoying more photos . . . and (HATE to now admit it) those little side "scoops" on the air cleaner actually DO have a genuine degree of coolness ! Not yet forgiving the air dam, but the close up photo is having an effect on my opinion of that ride.

It probably IS one of those cars that begs to be seen through close up photos or in person to fully appreciate the esthetics.

We all change our minds, I never used to like creamed spinach . . .

Jim & I were offering friendly advice.

The MG Roadmaster's origins:

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A Riviera?

If so, that goes a long way towards explaining the styling of the air cleaner.

The Rivs always seemed to be ahead in the game.

Came on the1967 Buick GS & optional for other models that year.

Well spoken, Jim.

Amen.

And rest in peace, Lumberjack Bill.

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I noticed the date, February 26, 2010, on the picture at Pete's when Bill was fabricating the rear fender flares.  We had a great time at your kitchen table that evening, Rick, as Bill reminisced to me several times after that.  We have to get his name on the car!

Yeah, I really meant to do that before the meet but ran out of time. Maybe a sticker to go to the side on the rear glass. How would you guys think we should word it? Something like, "In Memory of"?

Jim

Just thought I'd check in, been a long time since I've been on this wonderful forum.

Has anyone made plans to drive the RM to the Brit V8 meet in July 2018 in Dayton?

I'm always honored to have the pleasure of driving that one of a kind MGBGT, so let me know if a driver is needed.
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Edith and I took the car out today to go to a local show and run around a bit. We didn't stay long but met some nice folks. They made it a point to ask us to sign in so we could be notified of their next meet. I thought that was nice of them.

Edith was impressed with the car. She didn't expect it to be nearly so civilized and was quite surprised and enjoyed the experience. Hooray! Guys, this is as close to a ringing endorsement by the fairer sex as it gets. We have achieved success.

Though we do need to complete the A/C. It's going to get warm.

Jim

Pete and I attended a Cars & Coffee event in Champaign yesterday.

Pete had three conversions there....it would have been great to have had the Roadmaster there as well.

You could do that. It'll need to have the A/C completed but that can be done anywhere and anywhen.

Jim

anyone interested in hosting the RM after Rick??  Rob F has offered to have the RM late Fall or Winter.in TX

I could drive it from IL to TX  

PJ Lenihan

That's the idea Dan, now we need guys to step up and select a show they'd take the car to if they had it at the time. From that we can build a rotation for the car to get the maximum exposure for the project and also allow those who have contributed so much time to drive it and enjoy the fruits of their labors. If the car was in the KC area next September I'd see that it made the KC All British, and either the Brits in the Ozarks (https://www.blogneews.com) or the St. Louis shows if they fall on the same weekend or both if they don't, then pass the car on to someone else.

As for the Hot Rod Power Tour, looks like June 5th and 6th they'll be in the Missouri area, I could probably do a stint in that case.