Hi guys,
I'm new to British V8, in fact I am new to any type of forum, so i hope this ends up in the right place on the forum!
I have a 1949 Jowett Javelin with a 318 cu in Chrysler V8, 727 torqueflite, and a narrowed Volvo back axle.
I hope you like....
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Very nice Pat!
Rob
Very cool car!!! What does it weigh?
Hi Rob and Jerry,
Glad you like the car... not sure about the weight, but the standard car was just under 1 ton, so you would have to add 400 pound or so for the heavier engine, box and axle as well as the extensive chassis strengthening. so probably around 1.2 ton.
here's some more photos...
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Still lighter than it looks. I just weighed my Tiger at the last race I was at and it weighed 3030lbs with me in the car but I'm a little fat shi.....LOL
you've got me thinking now, maybe its a lot heavier... I need to get to a weighbridge, but I'm not sure if you can just turn up and weigh the car... the only time I have ever used one was when I got stopped by traffic police 'cos they thought my company car looked a bit low at the back !!!...
totally unrelated... here's a picture of my gt40
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Another cool car pat. If you don't have scales, an easy way to get the weight is to take it to a gas station that caters to truckers. Most of them have drive on scales. You just pull up on the scales & follow the instructions. You usually have to go inside & pay & they give you the weight slips.
Pat
Nice cars!!!!! How much motor in the gt40?
Pat, welcome aboard. "Javelin", no AMC motor?,lol. Easy to lighten-up that "A" motor with alum heads, intake, water pump and headers. It;s "ok" to speak Mopar here.As a long-shot, I might consider a Gen III Hemi, in my Jensen Healy. Cheers, roverman.
Hi Art,
I would love to, but all those engine mods are big money especially in England!!!...
Hi Jerry,
GT40 has 351 S.V.O. gt40 crate engine... comes with ally heads roller rockers etc... said to make 385 bhp with 4 barrel carb, I estimate mine at 400 bhp with 4 webber IDA and decent exhaust system. ( see photo)
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Thanks for the pics Pat. So the Hot Rod scene is high dollar over there? Looks like you've built some pretty nice stuff.
Hi Jerry,
Most of the top rods and customs have American running gear, and we do have to pay a premium for performance parts, but a lot of the guys use European running gear as its readily available... I suppose it depends on how much you want to spend.
An engine like the one in the GT40 without carbs, or inlet manifold is around 4,250 pounds sterling , which I suppose is about 6,000 dollars. It wasn't so bad when the pound was around 2 dollars.
I've just looked at some photos of your Tiger, do you use it on the street?.... if so that must be incredible!!
cheers,
Pat.
Yea Pat that's what so cool about the car is that it is true street car. If my wife needs something at the store I jump into the Tiger and go get it.
New technolgy is great and the Turbo setup is just is outstanding, I did most of the work myself and had some great sponsers helping me out and also some good friends to meet my goals of having a real 9:50 1/4 mile street car.
Sponsers: Turbo Horse Power
Sherbring Racing
Dyno Edge
Performance Plus machine shop
All are located in Ablq. New Mexico
Cheers back to you
Jerry
did you take the body off the chassis? im wondering if any of the chassis is standard did you cut all of the flooring out im guessing it has a gear box and tail shaft tunnel?
Hi David,
The original car doesn't have a separate chassis, but has two 4" rails that run from front to back with various outriggers welded to the rails and the body. On top of the chassis rails and outriggers sits a single piece of plywood that makes a completely flat floor, there is no transmission tunnel as the gearbox and propshaft are lower than the floor.
Now all thats left is the two 4" rails with new outriggers, new steel floor, and steel tunnel...I did have a few photos of the chassis build but I cant find them !
If you look at the attached photo you can make out the original rails directly behind the wooden shifter knob.
Cheers,
Pat.
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yeah i have two jowett javelins im keen to v8 at least one of them what was the front end steering and brakes and suspenstoin out of ?
Hi David,
suspension is ford 2.8i capri around mid 80's, but with an adjustable coil over shock modification and a fabricated lower "a" arm, steering rack and column are mk2 escort with a lengthened extension piece from a morris marina that fits between the rack and column, otherwise the column wouldnt reach the rack. Brakes are standard capri which are a 2 pot calipers with vented discs.
in answer to your other messages...... its a shame to have to cut out all the rear to get rid of the torsion bars, i had the same dilemma, but i dont think the axle would take a lot of power... i think that was the hardest and scariest part of the build, and it was the first thing that i did!!...
wouldnt a hilux make it sit too high, also you'de have to put some serious temporary bracing into the body if you was going to chop the complete chassis away.
I had to reduce the size of my photos to post them here.... could that be the problem.
also from a previous thread...I have seen the rover v8 one at a show just outside London, and I have to say it looks a bit odd... i think the main problem is the ride height and the wheel size ( 13" and a bit narrow )... if I had my time again with my car, I would make it into a two door and cut about 12" out of the middle... it looks very long now its sitting at a decent ride height. ( see side photo ).
I will take more photos at the weekend under the car etc.
Cheers, Pat.
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Someone in Australia used a hilux chasis under a Zcar, with a V8 and 4wd, and it doesnt sit up too too high.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jCHGsfQlTQ
Hi again David, ive found some of the photos......
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thank you very much pat. the pics are great did you do all the fabrication yourself ? gee it does sit nice a great stance . great work ? when i said hilux i didnt mean 4x4 but yeah maybee to high ? why did you go jowett ? i went jowett because any other make were to expensive which is hard to understand as only 25000 javelins were built? i had the jowett car club guys come around for a look at mine and thought they would hang me up when i said i wanted to v8 hot rod one but they( older gents ) realy supported the idea, i would like to be able to tow a tear drop caravan, another engine im considering is a v6 3.8 litre holden commodore ( a aussie family car very popular) fuel injected .. i think you guys get the newer modle from us ? probley called a vauxhal>>>>? they go well and parts plentyfull and cheap ? a jowett guy tells me to rebuild a javelin motor properly it will cost heaps ? so that money would go a lot further in modifications ? as id do the fabrication work myself . holdens are easy to buy compleate running cars so the running gear is easy?
Hi David,
I had 3 cars in mind, javelin, volvo pv 544 and standard vanguard ( round back ). the javelin came along first thats about the only reason, although i had always liked them from a kid .
the equivalent to the holden would be the vauxhall carlton/ senator or the omega... they do 24v versions in all models and they are very lively, i think they are around 220 h.p.... its probably the way to go as youll get trans and axle, wiring loom, seats etc etc... certainly a lot cheaper than sourcing things separately.
what about the v8 holdens are they a lot more money?...
coincidentally the 318 in the javelin came out of an australian truck, it was in a zodiac when i bought it, i took the engine and trans out and sold the rest on ebay... too cheaply as it had a jag rear and decent wheels...
i have done everything on the javelin myself... narrowed the axle, made the chassis, all the upholstery, wiring loom from scratch, sprayed it myself.... it wouldn't be the same if i had to farm out the work ...
heres a couple more photos including the zodiac!
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GREAT JOB PAT YOU SHOULD BE PROUD
NICE.
Good Work Pat. Regarding Mopar power, I think the future is bright for Gen 3 hemi swaps. Not too heavy and lots of potential.Cheers, roverman.
Not sure if the Volvo axle would take the extra power, also those engines are pretty rare in the UK!!... would be fun though. I did think about the Daimler 4.5 hemi V8 but they are like gold dust.
Cheers
Pat
Hi Pat,
Don't feel too bad, we have still got the Zephyr over the workshop. It is fairing a lot better than the Transit did that i used to take it home.
The Javelin looks well, i bet you are pleased to have got it on the road and be out and about enjoying it.
Is Mrs Pat still running her Pinto powered Anglia van ?
Hope you don't mind i pinched a couple of your pics to post up on Rods'n'Sods which is where i spend a lot of my time.
I tripped over this forum by chance when i was surfing.
Cheers.
Russ.
Hi Russ, good to hear from you, has anything been done to the zephyr???....
had to get rid of the anglia, the cam went on it and i was sick and tired of welding it up. i dont think it has been back on the road since i sold it.
yeh, the javelins good fun.
mainly playing with a 69 olds 442 at the moment... hope to get some paint on it this year.
if you're ever in the area at weekends, pop in and have a cuppa.
cheers,
pat.
Hi Pat,
To be honest not much has happened with the Zephyr realy, both front wings came off to weld up the bottom's of A post's (common fault bit of a water trap) but there was a fair amount of filler in the front wings so have been keeping an eye out for some better one's. Bought a chevy 350/th350 do go in it then used it for another project instead, i have since picked up a Mopar needing a rebuild so that is the plan at the moment.
Trouble is you know how it is when you have got a few cars about, things go wrong and you get sidetracked. Need to be doing a bit of engine work on my Olds next plus MOT and TAX are due soon, the Rod will need MOT and TAX soon as well plus could do with changing the diff for a higher ratio one.
A couple of pics of the Olds.
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A couple of pics of the Model Y.
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If i am in the neighbourhood i will take you up on the offer of a cuppa.
Are you going to the Swapmeet at Essex Arena (Thurrock) on Sunday March 6th, or Wheels Day at Rushmore Arena (aldershot) on Good Friday ?
Catch you again soon.
Russ.
Hi Russ, I normally go to wheels day ( and get soaked ).... will think about swapmeet, may be interesting. have you still got my phone number?..
cheers,
pat.
Hi Pat,
I know what you mean about wheels day got soaked myself last year.
If you have still got the same number as when i bought the Zephyr then yes.
Will try and give you a bell tomorrow (Sunday).
Cheers.
Russ.
Hi new to the forum, My V 8 2004 MG ZT 260 26,000 miles, This is not the only Jowett Javelin V8 some Jowett Jupiters have V8 fitted on u/tube a Jupiter 6 cil . Why not bring your Javelin to jowett weekend on Saturday 28 May at The Motor Heritage Centre, Gaydon Warwickshire, Greg from Stockport
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I'm trying to contact Pat Cargan about his V8 Jowett Javelin, as I want to write an article about it in our local Jowett newsletter here in Australia. I have tried to PM Pat but got no response; can anyone help me?
Andrew