,Well after all these years of using NOS, I'm going to go with twin turbo's on my TIGER. I'm getting help from a company here in New Mexico called TURBO HORSEPOWER.
Got the idea after seeing turbo's mounted in back, and that's where mine are going. I've already got the turbo's mounted and the charge pipe's done. I'm putting a water to air in the trunk.
Looking to get approx. 800hp to the rear wheels, the turbo's are 61mm.
Should be up and running by June.
The car has ran 9:77@144 on the NOS looking to go low 9's @150 something, on street tires.
Maybe a race with the Tiger Eater when i come to Colo?
Jerry,
Sounds interesting. I have read about the rear turbos. It would really be good to actually see an installation and hear how it works.
Should keep heat out of the engine bay too.
Steve
I will try and get some pics out, worked 10hrs on Sunday doing the exhaust. Who ever thought that you could put two turbo's, one 3'' charge pipe, two 2 1/2" pipes to the intercoler in the trunk and two 2 1/2" exhaust pipes over the rear end and still have enough room for the 8 3/4 rear end. Its tight but none of the pipes hit and the only thing I have to do is make the bracket for the panard rod a little longer to clear the exhaust pipe.
Like you said Steve it will keep the heat out of the engine bay, plus it will make the engine compartment real simple.
Jerry
Jerry,
Sounds like you're working hard.
Would like to see all that stuff in the rear end.
Are you going to the V8 meet in Port Wahington?
Would love to see it.
Steve
Steve
Where is Port Wahington?
I live in Rio Rancho, New Mexico
Jerry
Jerry,
Here is the information on where the V8 meet will be held.
http://www.britishv8.org/British-V8-Meetings.htm
Sounds like a awesome car, 800 to the wheels of a LBC, your going to have some real crazy adventures. Be carefull.
Jerry,
Port Washington is in Wisconsin. Middle of July. You can get information on this web site.
Hope you can make it.
Steve
Sorry Steve that's a little to far to travel, maybe someday after I retire my wife and I going to travel some and hoping the Tiger will be dependable enough to drive with this new set up.
Jerry,
Too bad about the Port Washington trip. Your car would be interesting to see and hear.
Steve
Update: Jerry sent me an e-mail with photos... but no text. I'll paste the photos in here.
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Thanks for putting up the pics for me.
Jerry
Got the car fired up Sat. and drove it around, having problems on the low end tune sounds like a vacume leak but can't seem to located it.
It turned out better then I expected had alot of help from the guys here in Albq.
Turbo Horsepower
Sherbring racing
Dyno Edge
Got the car dynoed and made 5 pulls and ended up with 382rwhp and 393 torque.
This was done on a stock motor with 200k miles and thru a PG trans
Car drives great with the fuel injection and the turbo's come on at about 3200 rpm's and pulls hard to 5800. Can't wait to build the other motor but will have to wait, low on funds..
Went to the drag strip Sat. Car ran 11;98@116 on 5lbs of boost and motor starts to lay over before we get to the end.
Needs less gear or bigger motor
Jerry,
Glad you've gotten it on the road.
Good 1/4 mile times.
How about the Silver State Challenge?
Steve
Silver State Challenge? Grrrr, steve the car is really being set up up for 1/8 and 1/4 racing and of coarse for street use. I don't know about those prolonged high speeds. But one never knows, I can tell you one thing the turbo's don't stop pulling. On paper with 2:88's in the rear and the big motor in the car looking at 175-180 @ 8000rpms and 12 lbs of boost i think and i don't know if I could trust the 42 year old parts on the car or have the balls to run that fast.(it's a age thing)
jerry
Remote turbo is something I had considered for my 3.4L. Small turbo that wouldn't give too much lag- about 3-4 psi boost and all with an attempt to keep the engine mostly pure stock. I have seen that setup on 3.4L V6 Camaros as well as others.
I really like the setup!
I like SC more but the remote turbo just seems neat as long as its something else to hide because my car is supposed to look like a pup, not a monster.
-BMC.
So far with this stock motor setup it works ok, I don't think I have any more turbo lag then the guys with front mounted turbos.
I do like not having all the heat under the hood and also it is so much cleaner looking and nobody knows.
When we put the other motor combo in it will be setup for the turbo's that's when i'll be able to tell about turbo lag.
Turbohorsepower says he can redo the turbo's to get them spool alot faster but to wait till we put the real motor in the car.
Jerry
Just found a Ford Turbo-coupe and asking about this in the engine section. I have two reasons- your car and that Hemi that outran me. Probably still will not do enough, but looking at a bunch of mods over time. Still not looking for Huge power, just something different. Glad to see these postings.
-BMC.
Twin Turbo Tiger still up and running great. So far best time has been 11:35 @123 mph, on 8lbs of boost. Changed the rear gear to a 3:55 but still has to much gear. Looking to change out to a 3:23 or wait to see what the new motor will do with the 3:55.
Will keep you all posted.
man jerry your car is like a test bed for the rest of us keep up the good work!! i love reading about your car with all the different things you have tried, awesome car!!
was it hard to fit the 351 windsor block in your tiger?
We still us a 8.2 deck motor, it is a stock 302 block now. Just got the pistons for the race motor which is a 8.2 deck World Products motor which will be a 378ci with AFR 225 heads and a great turbo cam looking to make 700rwh on 12lbs of boost on pump gas. Should have it in the car by the end of Feb.
We raced the car in Phonenix and it went 11:30@ 125 on 8lbs. with the stock motor. With the new 3:23 gears
I hope the new set up will be as dependable as the stock motor we have'nt had a lick of trouble in the 9 months its been in there.The fuel injection is great , using the FAST system I really think that is why the stock motor has lasted as long as it has.
My wife loves how quiet the car is and enjoys riding in it. Its really a sleeper.
So why put a big motor in it? I've never been the smartest guy!!!
hi jerry, if you read car craft july 08 there's an article of a street legal ford fairmount with a turbo on a 302 engine, and 3.08 rear gear, and he runs 10.05//9.80's i think if your set up will go even faster!! are you still running the powerglide?
Yes it has a powerglide, really like it with the 3:23 gear in it now. I'm looking at running 9:30's, but have to put the cage in the car, as right now I'm happy the way it is.
hey jerry i got the date incorrect for the magizine article, the correct date is november 2005 sorry.
Finally got the pistons from JE and the motor should be done by this fri hope I can pick it up.
Be another month to get it up and running have to order custom head gaskets from Cometic
and a few other misc. parts
Will keep you informed of progress
best of luck to ya jerry!! i'm very curious how fast you will go......
hoping to go very fast!!!!!!
I'm working on the rear brake setup changing out to disk, hope to have it done by this weekend.
Putting disk brakes from a 93 cobra on it, have to make a bracket and do some grinding. Nothing is very simple when you have to modify everything to fit but what the hell keeps me out of the bar.
Got the disk brake setup on and have brakes !!!!!!
good idea with better brakes since you'll be going faster!! i might bring my tiger home since the snow has melted, i have alot of work ahead of me.......
Good luck with your new project Mark
thanks jerry, please take some videos of your tiger for me?? i got it home finally!! it has the ford top loader 4 speed but seems to be locked up or stuck in gear both rear wheels wouldn't roll at all so we had to load it that way, more later.
Seems to me those old top loaders had the capability of being locked into two gears at the same time, in which case they won't budge. Look at the shifter. It seems to me the tranny might not even have an internal lock-out which prevents that.
Jim
thanks jim i'll check it out, and i'll probably pull the drive shaft out just to be sure. the guy i bought it from said him and his brother pushed it in the barn, but the shifter won't hardly move. i got underneath it tonight and i can move all the shift levers with a 1/2 wrench fairly easy but the car still won't move so i'll pull the drive shaft tomorrow if it doesn't rain.
Got the rear disk brakes on from a 93 Cobra and they are working great. This weekend work on the Aerospace setup got the hubs machined and got the bearings to fit and put them on the spindle, looks like it is going to work now just waiting for the rotors and calibers.
Looks like my sponser is coming through with the money for the motor. We will race the car this weekend in a 11:50 heads up class then will take the motor out and start getting everything done for the new motor set up. we are planning a trip to Tulsa June 27th for a mustang shelby race should be 4-6 Tigers there.
good luck jerry, bring home a win for the tigers!!
Well raced the old 200+k motor for the last time last weekend ran 11:82 @ 125mph got beat in the finals by .006 good close race. Motor had a tough time building boost on a instant green but it stayed together on 14lbs of boost.
Sponser came through with money for the new motor so old motor came out and will be finishing build in a couple of weeks, took the tranny to get rebuilt and the converter checked out, more money.
Got the Aerospace brake setup on the front done this weekend just need some new brake lines and a couple of spacers, looks good. Finally updated brakes hope it stops better.
Doing some misc. clean up work, getting ready for the race in Tulsa, supposed to be a couple of other Tigers and Alpines there.
If anybody makes it there please stop over and say HI
Update: Got the new motor in and started it up sounds good, will get the front end under the car fri and get the car to the Dyno Sat AM and get it retuned.
Will update later
Got the car dynoed and stayed really safe on this tune, made 611RWH @6000RPM's With 10lbs of boost,18 degrees of timing and on pump gas.
Going to race this weekend if the weather holds up. Will update with times
Went 10:42 @135 was having trouble with the launch, found out we had a leak on one of the boost lines, got it fixed and looking forward to going to Tulsa end of June
Took the car out to a street legal race at the drag strip Sat. night and it ran 10:27@ 137MPH looking forward to Tulsa.
WOW!! that some serious hp best of luck to you jerry, hope you have time for some video's?
Yes we will have video's at the Tulsa race I'm going to see if can borrow a small cam corder and mount it on the roll bar.
Car is running sweet looking to get it down in the mid 9's at Tulsa
What is your tach reading at the finish line?
Looking forward to some action photos!
We are going tru the traps about 64-6500, it has 3:23 with a 26" tire.
Well all I can say it was really hot in Tulsa and the car only ran 9:96 @ 139 was'nt what I wanted but we made seven passes and they were 9:96 thru 10:01. The guy that was suppose have his video camera did'nt have the soft wear to down load or something like that.
We can only make 11lbs of boost so it made 668RWHP we are working on that problem now because I want to turn it down to 5lbs on the street so it does'nt blow there tires away.
hey jerry thats still very impressive!!!! getting all that hooked up in such a small package, when is your next race?
Aug. 1st we are having a NO BULL race at the local track here.
hi jerry, do you have in your area "PINKS ALL OUT" ? i watched them last week at 131 knoll motorsports dragway martin mi. they have a 10.20 limit and a .020 breakout rule you can bid on tickets online but they sell out very quick! my brother raced but he could only manage a 11.00 not good enough to win or make the quick 16. they had some very fast cars there! and they will air it on t.v. september 24 th 2009 on speed channel. a mid 90's mustang won it, sounds like your car would be perfect for this kind of racing, best of luck!!
Mark I'll have to check because they did have a Pinks All Out in Tucson that I went to a couple of years ago and blew another motor that was the 4th one of the year and that's when we changed to the turbo setup. I'm really happy with this new setup running low 10's @139 and only running 10lbs of boost on pump gas and then driving it back home and not pissing the wife off when i park it in the garage and it does'nt knock her pictures off the wall.
is that the pic. of your car at pheonix? yeah let me know and i can watch ya on t.v. i'm rootin for ya!!
Yes the pic was taken at Firebird at a fun ford event in phoenix. There is suppose to be a guy coming out to the NO BULL race this Sat and said he would take some vido's of the car.
We raced in the heads up 10sec class Aug. 1st and won the race by .003, i went 10:11@138 to a10:07@135 I had a 515 light to his 562 what a great race in the finals. Best of all the car ran great and we did'nt hurt anything.
Waiting for a vido from one of the guys at the track
Wow what a very close race, nice hole shot!! congratulations jerry!! how did the video turn out? i would love to see it.
Again NO DAMN VIDEO sorry
We are living in Las Cruces now and I raced last Sunday in El Paso not much of a track but the car ran 10:09, 10:08 in the left lane then ran a 10:03 in the right lane had a 1:57 60ft and it ran a 139mph.
Going back up to Albq. to race in a STREET BRAWL street legal race hoping someone will have video of this race.
ha ha your going to have to record it yourself i guess, your car is very consistant and that really counts at the track!! my brother adjusts the gov. on the trans. and just leaves the car in drive, like you no electronics on the starting line just old fashioned mental focus for a good reation time. best of luck to ya on your next race!!
We raced in the Street Brawl sunday and I got my ass handed to me by a 8:50 Saleen Must. that made the 30mile cruise and was street legal, he ended up winning the 1000.00 bucks.
I did go 9:98@139 and drilled him hard on the tree but he just had to much for me at the top end. My back window blew out on that pass and landed in the sand and it was ok found the trim and everything so that was good, going to have to make sure we glue it in better.
Signed up for Pink's at Firebird in Phoenix going to run the race in Dec. 4th &5th
i'd say it would be very hard to beat an 8.50 car unless he broke something, but still you ran great!! sorry to hear about your back window can you race without the top on? you know i have a 66 alpine also and i'm thinking to make a tube chassis with struts for it any suggestions?
We got the rear window put back in for 50 bucks i might have to put a couple of straps on it.
As far as your 66 I would cut the x frame out and put in subframe connectors that gives you alot of room for the trans.
Find used 9'' ford rearend and put some coil overs in the rear. Update the front end.
Now for the motor I would try and find a Buick V-6 with a turbo and use the tranny that comes with it.
Second choice would be a T-Bird Turbo 4cyl. with a C-4.
Both these motors are FI and I would find a used FAST system for the managment system.
I have thought about doing somthing like this to a Alpine but one race car is enough for me now days,
guess I'm getting old Damn It
thanks jerry, i have thought about the buick V6 turbo set up i'll see what i can come up with. i'm 46 and race go karts as a hobby and iv'e heard of guys in their 70's still racing them, i tried a dirt track for the first time a few saturdays ago man that is hard!! my arms hurt after 15 laps!!
I'm just old!!!!!
If you can go to truestreetcars.com there is a nice video of me racing the Must. that beat me. Go to pics & video's Jerry's Twin Turbo Tiger
cool i'll check it out!!
Video of Sunbeam on You Tube under Jerry's Twin Turbo Tiger
Getting car ready to go to Speedworld in Phonenix on the 5th of Dec. going to race in a heads up 10sec class with the Arizona's Fastest Street Cars.
If anybody in the area come over and say Hi
Boy can't believe its been over two years since I did the turbo setup and the big motor setup has been in over a year without any problems.
I've put more street miles on the car in the last year than I've ever put on it in the last 39 years, new tech. is great.
Going back to PINK's in Nov. will set the boost controler to run low 10's on 6-7lbs of boost
Just a a little update
Jerry, One impressive brawler there. Anything you can do, to improve those 60' times ? With the trap speeds your runnin, you should have plenty of et. potential, with more hook-up ? Good Luck, roverman.
Art I could stay on the rev limiter longer and get more boost but its so hard on the tranny and conveter that its not worth it to me.
Tranny & converter are low buck parts but have stayed together.
Also I could put some real slicks on and let it eat but just don't want to start breaking parts.
Wife is finally talking to me when something comes up about the car, could'nt believe it today I wanted buy a part for the car and she said it was alright to use the American Express almost fell over LOL
Heads-up Jerry, she might be shopping for a "hard hat and suit", so SHE can drive, lol. Good Luck, roverman.
Yea I wonder what she's up to. After 20yrs I start to worry when she starts talking like this!!! LOL